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Arizona state senator censured for unbecoming conduct

ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
The virus has evolved. A new vaccine will be coming out that is aimed at the latest version ,but if not enough people are vaccinated to get herd immunity it will evolve once again. You only keep telling us that you do not understand the topic.

The virus evolves. The only way to beat it is to get a high level of herd immunity worldwide. Otherwise new variants will keep popping up. Those that oppose vaccinations are a huge part of the problem. It is why vaccine mandates are sometimes necessary. We will have a short reprieve, until another new variant evolves. And people who have already been ill twice will get ill a third time. And perhaps the next variant will be more deadly, not less.

By the way, do young people have grandparents?
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You may need boosters every 3 months, I’m glad they are available for you and everyone that wants them. Many people are healthy, have had and recovered from Covid, haven’t gotten Covid again after recovery so they may just pass on the jab all together, good for them.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
You may need boosters every 3 months, I’m glad they are available for you and everyone that wants them. Many people are healthy, have had and recovered from Covid, haven’t gotten Covid again after recovery so they may just pass on the jab all together, good for them.
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Do little kids have grandparents?
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

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ElishaElijah said:
I’ve read up on it, vaccinated people transmit the disease, got reinfected by the variants. Appears to be a leaky jab.
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You should read more.
Vaccination doesn't prevent infection.
Instead it makes sure that your body already knows how to fight the infection whereas in the unvaccinated your body still has to learn it first. This means that it takes your body LONGER to start fighting. During that LONGER period, the virus gets free reign in your body and multiplies like crazy (making you MORE infectious and raising the chances of mutation and thus new variants).

"super spreaders" are unvaccinated people without symptoms.

Doctors like Mcullough were warning about this from the beginning.
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I wouldn't trust doctors who apparently don't even understand how vaccines work.
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

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ElishaElijah said:
You may need boosters every 3 months, I’m glad they are available for you and everyone that wants them. Many people are healthy, have had and recovered from Covid, haven’t gotten Covid again after recovery so they may just pass on the jab all together, good for them.
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Your ignorance is showing again.

For the vast majority of people, the vaccine isn't to protect themselves.
It's to protect OTHER PEOPLE
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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TagliatelliMonster said:
You should read more.
Vaccination doesn't prevent infection.
Instead it makes sure that your body already knows how to fight the infection whereas in the unvaccinated your body still has to learn it first. This means that it takes your body LONGER to start fighting. During that LONGER period, the virus gets free reign in your body and multiplies like crazy (making you MORE infectious and raising the chances of mutation and thus new variants).

"super spreaders" are unvaccinated people without symptoms.



I wouldn't trust doctors who apparently don't even understand how vaccines work.
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It does, or at least before Omicron, greatly reduce the odds of catching it in the first place. It was not perfect, but no vaccine is perfect.
 
TagliatelliMonster

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Subduction Zone said:
It does, or at least before Omicron, greatly reduce the odds of catching it in the first place. It was not perfect, but no vaccine is perfect.
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I think being exact in the wording here is important.

A vaccine doesn't create a "force field" around the body that prevents certain micro-organisms from entering.
What it does do, is teach your immune system to act immediately (without having to learn how to first) once it entered and was detected.

So the virus still enters the body (which is what I mean by "infection").
It's just that an immune system that already knows how to deal with it, will kill it fast, giving it little to no chance of reproducing and spreading further in the body.

When one is "immune" to a virus, that is what it means, right?
It means one will not get sick and the body reacts, and successfully attacks, immediately once it is detected.

Anti-bodies aren't active outside of the body.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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TagliatelliMonster said:
I think being exact in the wording here is important.

A vaccine doesn't create a "force field" around the body that prevents certain micro-organisms from entering.
What it does do, is teach your immune system to act immediately (without having to learn how to first) once it entered and was detected.

So the virus still enters the body (which is what I mean by "infection").
It's just that an immune system that already knows how to deal with it, will kill it fast, giving it little to no chance of reproducing and spreading further in the body.

When one is "immune" to a virus, that is what it means, right?
It means one will not get sick and the body reacts, and successfully attacks, immediately once it is detected.

Anti-bodies aren't active outside of the body.
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I completely agree with this. Who knows what those that do not understand think. I would ask, but I am pretty sure that question would be ducked as well.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

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Stevicus said:
Wendy Rogers censured by Arizona Senate for 'unbecoming conduct' | 12news.com

She's from northern Arizona. She embraced a white nationalist group and said that political enemies should be publicly hanged. (In case anyone wonders why I'm so far left, it might have something to do with the kind of people who abound in my area of the country.)
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If any of our Members of Parliament should announce anything like that they would be:-
Banned from holding office forever.
Arrested, tried and almost certainly be convicted of crimes such as 'incitement to commit a crime (murder)', and various other offences connected to hate crimes and Equality Act violations.

I don't need to make comment about Wendy Rogers....do I?
 
ElishaElijah

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TagliatelliMonster said:
Your ignorance is showing again.

For the vast majority of people, the vaccine isn't to protect themselves.
It's to protect OTHER PEOPLE
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TagliatelliMonster said:
So the virus still enters the body (which is what I mean by "infection").
It's just that an immune system that already knows how to deal with it, will kill it fast, giving it little to no chance of reproducing and spreading further in the body.

When one is "immune" to a virus, that is what it means, right?
It means one will not get sick and the body reacts, and successfully attacks, immediately once it is detected.
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And the jab doesn’t do a very good job, multiple boosters, doesn’t prevent transmission which means vaccinated people can and do spread it, can still get hospitalized and die, they say just not as much, the excuse for the jab is made, no vaccine is 100%, well we aren’t even close to that.
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
And the jab doesn’t do a very good job, multiple boosters, doesn’t prevent transmission which means vaccinated people can and do spread it, can still get hospitalized and die, they say just not as much, the excuse for the jab is made, no vaccine is 100%, well we aren’t even close to that.
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Oh my! So making extremely unlikely to die if one is fully vaccinated and boosted (on the order of a factor approaching one hundred compared to the unvaccinated) constitutes "not working". That is a new definition of not working that I have never heard before.
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

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ElishaElijah said:
And the jab doesn’t do a very good job, multiple boosters, doesn’t prevent transmission which means vaccinated people can and do spread it, can still get hospitalized and die, they say just not as much, the excuse for the jab is made, no vaccine is 100%, well we aren’t even close to that.
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Hospital figures demonstrate the opposite.

Few weeks ago when I last looked at the numbers, vaccination of the population was around 80%
Yet some 97% of those in the ICU, or worse: in coffins, were unvaccinated. It takes a special type of mind to conclude from such numbers that "the jabs don't work".


Having said that, the vast majority of those that are vaccinated are protected.
This means that when they get infected, their bodies are able to combat the virus relatively easily and quickly.

This means:
- much less time for the virus to reproduce, meaning a lot less viral particles, meaning a lot less contagious
- much less reproduction = much less chances of mutation leading to new variants
- much faster response time of the immune system, means a much shorter period of being contagious

The net result is a severe crippling of the virus' ability to spread and produce new variants.

No, it doesn't make it impossible. Nobody ever claimed it does.
 
TagliatelliMonster

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ElishaElijah said:
:facepalm:, vaccine isn’t to protect you? Wow they got you all messed up
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Most people who catch covid have a running noes and perhaps a bit of fever and that's it.

So most people don't require the shot to protect themselves since they aren't in danger.
But, as I've explained in my previous post, the unvaccinated are the MOTOR of the pandemic.

They are incubators of new variants, they are contagious for longer periods, they have loads more viral particles.

It's the 5% that ends up in the ICU or worse that require protection.

So, if you are among that 5%, you require the shot to protect yourself (and in some it will breakthrough anyway).
If you are among the 95%, you require the shot to cripple the virus' ability to spread and/or mutate and thereby you protect that 5% (regardless of them having had the shot or not).

And overall, the more people are vaccinated, the less chances of new, potentially more deadly, variants - which protects everyone.



Why is it, do you think, that hospitals and other health centers require their staff to be vaccinated?
Is it to protect the staff? Or rather to protect the patients?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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TagliatelliMonster said:
Hospital figures demonstrate the opposite.

Few weeks ago when I last looked at the numbers, vaccination of the population was around 80%
Yet some 97% of those in the ICU, or worse: in coffins, were unvaccinated. It takes a special type of mind to conclude from such numbers that "the jabs don't work".


Having said that, the vast majority of those that are vaccinated are protected.
This means that when they get infected, their bodies are able to combat the virus relatively easily and quickly.

This means:
- much less time for the virus to reproduce, meaning a lot less viral particles, meaning a lot less contagious
- much less reproduction = much less chances of mutation leading to new variants
- much faster response time of the immune system, means a much shorter period of being contagious

The net result is a severe crippling of the virus' ability to spread and produce new variants.

No, it doesn't make it impossible. Nobody ever claimed it does.
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Did you know that some people in auto accidents die even if they are wearing seatbelts and if the car has airbags? Clearly seatbelts and airbags do not work.
 
Subduction Zone

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A perfectly safe mode of transportation for granny:

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metis

metis

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It's hard to convince those who put politics ahead of the science that they usually know so little about or only read politically oriented sources.

IOW, the science is clear: get the vaccines and their boosters. If not, then I feel sorry for them and the people who may have to associate with them. Scripture says to "choose life", but their "scripture" says "choose us right-wing politicians and our media". After all, look how so many even deny the basic ToE, so why should they deal with actual science even on this issue?
 
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