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Christian Warfare

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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paarsurrey said: ↑
Christian Warfare

I quote here from Pauline-Christian Bible:
Luke 22:36-38
King James Version
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 22:36-38 - King James Version
Right?
Redemptionsong said:
It's important to distinguish between the OT and the NT.

Peter did take a sword with him to Gethsemane, where the arrest of Jesus occurred. When the temple guard approached Jesus, Peter cut off the ear of High Priest's servant, which Jesus then healed.

For Peter, these events took place under the old covenant. Jesus is the mediator between the old and new covenants, and the NT (covenant) did not come into effect until the day of Pentecost.
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" It's important to distinguish between the OT and the NT. "

Did Jesus distinguish between the OT and the NT, please. Right?
If yes, then please quote from Jesus' writing in first person for such claim, please. Right?
Also if he gave some reasons in this connection, please. Right? I don't think we can put words into Jesus' mouth for claims and the reasons thereof, please. Right?

Regards
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
Redemptionsong said:
I want to intervene in any situation where l see a violent injustice against a human, or inhumane treatment of an animal!

My objective is always be to prevent the suffering of the victim without inflicting physical injury on the perpetrator.
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I agree, but avoiding a physical intervention would appear impossible in many cases.
Me, I would exact as much force as necessary in order to incapacitate the aggressor, and ask questions later, I don't mean to be sounding defiant towards God, but I say this only because I don't know what the answer is, as I am on the fence.
 
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Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
Redemptionsong said:
What l am saying is that, in Christ (the NT) Gentiles are accepted on equal terms to Jews.
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And what I'm saying is that the only thing keeping you from being 'on equal terms to Jews' is your
own refusal to become Jews, and embrace the Covenant of Mt. Sinai just like the Mixed Multitude.
Who came out of Egypt with the Jews. Once they accepted G-d's Covenant there was no difference
between them and the Jews born of Abraham's seed. All were in the Covenant.

But you go ahead and follow the Covenant of Paul, and reject G-d's Torah.
See my sig below, Yeshua's own words.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Audie said:
Opinions differ on "Christian" nations.

See "divine right of kings"

What christian organization, which group
of christians ever recognized women as equal?

In Chinese culture we recognize the difference
between sweet words and action.

We dont for example go in for romantic love
and sayings.

Love is in what you do.

I see little or no recognitiin of equality
for women in the bible, quite the opposite.

And as for Christian treatment of women?
Ha.

( what is it btw with the word " flesh" that is so much used by
Christians ?)
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I think it's wrong to make blanket judgements about people in the way you do here.

There are differences between individuals, but the call to all believers in Jesus Christ is to be of one mind and Spirit.
 
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Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Sedim Haba said:
And what I'm saying is that the only thing keeping you from being 'on equal terms to Jews' is your
own refusal to become Jews, and embrace the Covenant of Mt. Sinai just like the Mixed Multitude.
Who came out of Egypt with the Jews. Once they accepted G-d's Covenant there was no difference
between them and the Jews born of Abraham's seed. All were in the Covenant.

But you go ahead and follow the Covenant of Paul, and reject G-d's Torah.
See my sig below, Yeshua's own words.
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This is a misunderstanding of the new covenant.

The covenant made at Sinai was followed by Jesus from the time he was born. In fact, his righteousness under the law was a delight to his Father, who said (before Jesus' ministry in the power of the H.S. had begun), 'This is my beloved Son, in whom l am well pleased'.

Jesus was a righteous Jew.

The transition from the covenant of law to the covenant of grace is a change from man's righteousness to God's righteousness. Since man cannot DO God's righteousness, it comes to us by faith as the gift of Holy Spirit. This is what Jesus Christ came to bring. It's the only way a man's heart can be changed to enable him to be truly righteous, for all men are sinners.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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paarsurrey said:
paarsurrey said: ↑
Christian Warfare

I quote here from Pauline-Christian Bible:
Luke 22:36-38
King James Version
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 22:36-38 - King James Version
Right?

" It's important to distinguish between the OT and the NT. "

Did Jesus distinguish between the OT and the NT, please. Right?
If yes, then please quote from Jesus' writing in first person for such claim, please. Right?
Also if he gave some reasons in this connection, please. Right? I don't think we can put words into Jesus' mouth for claims and the reasons thereof, please. Right?

Regards
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Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me!

Just because Jesus did not write the words contained in the Gospels does not mean that the Gospel accounts are not accurate or true.

If you believe the life of Jesus to be a fictional account, then you are forced to make similar accusations against the Hebrew scriptures, which contain prophecies of Christ.

How far down this road are you prepared to go? Each time you call a prophet, or eyewitness, a liar you also demonstrate your own lack of faith in God.

IMO, you must either accept all of scripture (the Bible) as true, or reject it all as a lie. Which is it to be?
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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URAVIP2ME said:
In Bible speak, I find that since Pentecost God deals with the 'Christian congregation' as a 'spiritual nation' no matter where the congregation is located on Earth.
In other words, God's 'spiritual nation' (Christian cong.) has No boundaries, No borders that can be found located on any map.
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That's exactly my point!
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Redemptionsong said:
I think it's wrong to make blanket judgements about people in the way you do here.

There are differences between individuals, but the call to all believers in Jesus Christ is to be of one mind and Spirit.
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Show me the blanket judgementmof
people you pretend I am making. Quote the words.

I very specifically identified the failure
of Christianity. Not individuals.

Its nice that Christianity calls on people to
be nice
Individuals act as it suits them.

After 2000 years the church has had its chance to show that its members treat women as equals.

Women have gained more rights in the last 100
years but the church sure didnt lead the way..

So terrif that the church " calls". Talk is cheap.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Redemptionsong said:
Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me!

Just because Jesus did not write the words contained in the Gospels does not mean that the Gospel accounts are not accurate or true.

If you believe the life of Jesus to be a fictional account, then you are forced to make similar accusations against the Hebrew scriptures, which contain prophecies of Christ.

How far down this road are you prepared to go? Each time you call a prophet, or eyewitness, a liar you also demonstrate your own lack of faith in God.

IMO, you must either accept all of scripture (the Bible) as true, or reject it all as a lie. Which is it to be?
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All true?
Jesus is a door.

True or a lie.
Which is it.
 
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Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
Redemptionsong said:
This is a misunderstanding of the new covenant
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The transition from the covenant of law to the covenant of grace is a change from man's righteousness to God's righteousness. Since man cannot DO God's righteousness, it comes to us by faith as the gift of Holy Spirit. This is what Jesus Christ came to bring. It's the only way a man's heart can be changed to enable him to be truly righteous, for all men are sinners.
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And this is the typical misunderstanding of G-d's Covenant on Mt. Sinai. "man cannot DO God's
righteousness" The stance that it's an impossible mission, doomed to fail. G-d himself says this isn't true...

Deuteronomy 30:12-14

"It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it? No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it."

That is Yeshua's whole message, IMO. Where is your heart. A right heart is an obedient heart.
'Grace' does not absolve one from just throwing up your hands and saying, "I can't do it!"
G-d clearly disputes this. No, Grace picks you up and puts you back on your feet when you fail.
For you will fail. All of Yeshua's words in Matthew point your feet towards the Law and proper
obedience with a proper heart. But Paul's words point you away, says 'don't even try'.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Sedim Haba said:
And this is the typical misunderstanding of G-d's Covenant on Mt. Sinai. "man cannot DO God's
righteousness" The stance that it's an impossible mission, doomed to fail. G-d himself says this isn't true...

Deuteronomy 30:12-14

"It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it? No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it."

That is Yeshua's whole message, IMO. Where is your heart. A right heart is an obedient heart.
'Grace' does not absolve one from just throwing up your hands and saying, "I can't do it!"
G-d clearly disputes this. No, Grace picks you up and puts you back on your feet when you fail.
For you will fail. All of Yeshua's words in Matthew point your feet towards the Law and proper
obedience with a proper heart. But Paul's words point you away, says 'don't even try'.
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No, again, this is not accurate.

These are the words of Paul, Romans 10:1-4.
'Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
For l bear them record that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.'

There is a clear difference between the righteousness of man (under law), and the righteousness of God (in Christ, by faith).

If men under the law were able to be sinless then they would have achieved God's righteousness, but they have not. Can you name me one individual who did not sin?

What do you think Jeremiah 31:31-34 is all about? Has it yet happened to lsrael?
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Audie said:
All true?
Jesus is a door.

True or a lie.
Which is it.
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Are you asking me whether Jesus 'is a door'?

Jesus said, l am the door [John 10:7, 9]. To be saved one must enter in.

I think this was answered clearly when he said, 'no man cometh unto the Father, but by me'.

Is Jesus the door? True.
 
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Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
Redemptionsong said:
No, again, this is not accurate.

These are the words of Paul, Romans 10:1-4.....
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Do NOT attempt to prove Paul by quoting Paul.

If men under the law were able to be sinless then they would have achieved God's righteousness, but they have not. Can you name me one individual who did not sin?
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Enoch. But that has no bearing on Grace or Repentance .

What do you think Jeremiah 31:31-34 is all about?
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Are Gentiles mentioned there? No.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
Show me the blanket judgementmof
people you pretend I am making. Quote the words.

I very specifically identified the failure
of Christianity. Not individuals.

Its nice that Christianity calls on people to
be nice
Individuals act as it suits them.

After 2000 years the church has had its chance to show that its members treat women as equals.

Women have gained more rights in the last 100
years but the church sure didnt lead the way..

So terrif that the church " calls". Talk is cheap.
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I have not argued that men and women are equal, except 'in Christ'. 'In Christ' is not equivalent to 'in Christianity'. 'In Christ' means sharing the same Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

What kind of equality do you seek for women?
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Sedim Haba said:
Do NOT attempt to prove Paul by quoting Paul.


Enoch. But that has no bearing on Grace or Repentance .


Are Gentiles mentioned there? No.
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I'm not attempting to 'prove Paul'. It's not about Paul but about the argument he presents.

And, yes, Jeremiah is speaking specifically to lsrael. This is the point! If, under the law, there is no need for a new covenant, why is lsrael being offered one?!

P.S. Do you believe the words of Solomon, 1 Kings 8:46?
 
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