Allah Is Same As Elohim

joeboonda said:

1. Isaiah 7:14
   Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
   Matthew 1:23
   "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God with us."

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We shall agree to disagree on this.

Mary NEVER called her sone Emmanuel. Matthew, to my knowledge, is the only one who referenced Isaiah by interperting that quote and to atribute it to Jesus.

It seem to me that Matthew was having this dream and reported the Angel of God saying;

1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of by the prophet, saying,
1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, Elohim with us.

Does this "THEY" mean his parents or does this "THEY" mean the people because Mary nor Joseph EVER called Jesus by that name.

Later the scripture goes on to say that after the birth of Jesus she called him by his name (Yashua).....not (Emmanuel)

xexon said:

God has many names but one address.


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When we say god we have to realize that he has two addresses.

One is in the Quran and the other in the Holy Bible.

The Quran itself makes that distiction. Please read the following words that I pulled from the `Quran:

[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Believers are Muslims in these words.
I means prophet Mohammad.
You means Christians
Him means god
Religion means the system of worship of the god of Muslims or Christians

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So there it is`plain and clear that the god of Islam admits that there is another god who is not and who will not be worshipped by prophet Mohammed (and Muslims).

Now, the God of the Bible says this:

2 Corinthians 4: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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So, what do we have? We have the god of the Quran admitting that there is another god for the Christians . We have the Almighty God of the Bible saying that there is another god who blinds people to the truth of the Holy Gospel.

I think there are several points that have been brought up that need addressing.

First of all, Christianity that exists now might be quite different than that practiced by Christians during Mohammeds time. Not everyone agreed in the same view of Jesus. There were quite acceptable views that did not suggest that Jesus and God were identical. Even the Trinity did have different connotations. Clearly there is also an Eastern Christianity, the Orthodox church, which does not share all the views of the Western church. Mohammed was much more likely to have run into Eastern Christians than Western ones. Of course, there are different views today but they tend to be marginalized by the conservative majority. However there are views of Christianity that do not proclaim Jesus as God.

In fact, throughout the Gospels there is a mix of statements attributed to Jesus that would claim that he either did or did not believe he was God.

There are also different interpretations of the same verses. For instance, the verse re: "God with us" can mean either incarnation, God's power in a man, or that he embodied God in some non-literal way.

Christianity is mentioned positively in the Quran many times. Jesus was, according to the Quran born of a virgin, he was one of only a few great prophet, etc. (I know Christians don't often see Jesus as a prophet but it does show that he was honored), etc. Christians are considered "people of the book" as are Jews.

There are a lot of beautiful things in the Quran, but you will never read them on the large no. of "Christian" websites out there that are propulgating hatred of Islam. I suggest you read something written by a Muslim. For instance, Reza Aslan's "No god but God". Or something by serious scholar which does not pick and chose for instance Karen Armstrong's "The History of God" or one of her short books on Islam.

If you want to find ugliness in the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament, you can certainly find them-- and it won't be hard. But you wouldn't want to miss the Beautitudes or the Psalms because you were so busy looking for them.

So I guess that I would agree that in some cases today the God worshipped by some Christians *is* different. But I think that the thread is "Elohim is the same as Allah". And I think that much is the case.


--des

hanif said:

Jewish Says To God El,eli,elohim.
In Aramic It Is Alaha.
And Muslims Says Allah.
I Think It Is Same.
Allah Is Rhe Writer Of Torah Gospel And Kuran.

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Hi Hanif,

The God of the Holy Bible is not the god of the Koran.

This can be verified by simply examining the etymology of the classic languages. The word “allah” is a derivative of the root “ilaha”, which, according to the best lexicography in the world, demonstrates an intimate attachment to pagan idol worship, up to (and including) the great serpent.

Obviously, we all know who the great serpent is….Satan.

Further, the Koran’s opening sura loudly proclaims that “allah” is lord of the devils – in the ancient Arabic.

All the way through the Koran, the authors who penned the text attempt to cloak the god “allah” with the Biblical deity previously ascribed unto the Biblical Jesus Christ...in an attempt to make "it" into somthing that "it" definately is not...

The Koran’s closing sura has the writer desperately seeking refuge from “allah”…i.e. the devil…!


Time for the Islamic ignorance to stop….

Elohim translated mean the high god El in herbrew the matching word in hebrew would be Adonai.

Adonai translated mean "God" Allah means "the God"

joeboonda said:

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.[b]
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " 16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[e][f]who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

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Yes I just love the misinterpertations of the MAN Jesus (Yashua).

Let's explore him being a man and how he is referred to as the "son of God" or how he Himself distinguised himself from God.

Luke 1:35. The "holy Spirit" said Jesus would be called the SON of God. Not Emmanuel (God with us).

Mat 16:16-17. Jesus said His father was in Heaven. At this point in the conversation to Simon Peter he did say he was God in the flesh on earth.


John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 10:37-38 [37] Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. [38] But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
Matthew 27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, `I am the Son of God.'"
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.

"When Jesus said 'I and the Father are one' didn't He just mean they are of one accord."
Taken alone, statements such as "I and the Father are one." and "The Father is in me, and I am in the Father." could mean simply that Jesus agrees with God. But in the overall context of the Bible this cannot be:
John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

John
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.


John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
John 17:10 [Speaking to the Father] All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.
Note: Jesus never claimed to be Jehovah. He claimed to be one "person" of the Trinity. (The term "person" refers to human beings and, therefore does not totally accurately describe the nature of these divine "persons." The late Dr. Walter Martin once described "God" as a being with "three centers of consciousness.")

Note: "Son of Man" was a term referring to the expected Messiah.
Mark 14:61b-62 [61b] Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" [62] "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
Luke 22:66-70 [66] At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them. [67] "If you are the Christ, " they said, "tell us." Jesus answered, "If I tell you, you will not believe me, [68] and if I asked you, you would not answer. [69] But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God." [70] They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am." Daniel 7:13-14 [13] "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. [14] He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Do you see what I mean by how most want to make him into GOD even when he said he wasn't and it shows how he refers to himself then refers to God. If you are trying to claim his devinity by the mere statements you pulled out then that would apply to everyone. Everyone would be GOD.Jesus (Yashua) is merely saying that all of what he is, is of GOD....like everything else that was is or will be.

joeboonda said:

Allah is not the God of the Bible, no way. The Bible says that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life. Islam says, "Alah has no son." One is right, and one is dead wrong. Either God sent His Son to pay for the sin of the world by paying the penalty of sin, which is death, or God has no Son. In light of the thousands of precise, exact, fullfilled scripture of the Bible compared to one self-fulfilling one in the Koran, I will go with the God who sent His Son. (Mohammad 'predicted' that he would go to Mecca, easy enough to do, Jesus predicted that He would rise from the dead the third day, not so easy) And that is only one of the many differences.

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If the god of the Quran is the same Almighty God of the Holy Bible, can Muslims explain why the god of the Quran DICTATED the following words to his angel Jibril to be passed down to prophet Mohammad?

1. [2.120] And theJews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.
2. [2.135] And they say: Be Jews or Christians, you will be on the right course. Say: Nay! (we follow) the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif, and he was not one of the polytheists.

Jews were not polytheists and as such this is one of those fun mistranslations or inaccuracies that divide the faiths instead of uniting them.

I am amazed that all Muslims take verses from the Holy Bible which they believe to be CORRUPTED, to prove that they are corrupted words.

Does it make sense to take words from a corrupted book to prove that it is a corrupted book?

Here's an analogy:

I write a book of nonsense. Not one sentence in it makes sense. You read it and realize that it is a book of total nonsense. Then you take words, sentences and passages from it to prove that thery are nonsense. Does it make sense? Are you not wasting your time?

Soundoc said:

When we say god we have to realize that he has two addresses.

One is in the Quran and the other in the Holy Bible.

The Quran itself makes that distiction. Please read the following words that I pulled from the `Quran:

[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.

Believers are Muslims in these words.
I means prophet Mohammad.
You means Christians
Him means god
Religion means the system of worship of the god of Muslims or Christians

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So there it is`plain and clear that the god of Islam admits that there is another god who is not and who will not be worshipped by prophet Mohammed (and Muslims).

Now, the God of the Bible says this:

2 Corinthians 4: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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So, what do we have? We have the god of the Quran admitting that there is another god for the Christians . We have the Almighty God of the Bible saying that there is another god who blinds people to the truth of the Holy Gospel.

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This only proves that you have added another interpertation and a simple lack of understanding of what is said in the quran.

You say "Believers are muslims in these words"

YOU ARE WRONG.....!!!!!!!!!

The word used is NON-Believers.....(Unbelievers)

my goodness.......:sarcastic

Muhhammed was talking to the non-believers saying I'm not going to worship that which you worship nor will you pray to whom I pray to. You will have your way of life and I will have my way of life.

Please...Please....If you're going to read the qur'an please make sure you pay attention because all of that point proving you were trying to do rendered your post void because you didn't read the quote clearly. Muhhammed brought the qur'an to his people who were worshiping numerous idols and this is where the above quote comes in........


Now please...please... PROVE that ELOAH of theOT is not the same as ALLAH int the Qur'an.......

Soundoc said:

I am amazed that all Muslims take verses from the Holy Bible which they believe to be CORRUPTED, to prove that they are corrupted words.

Does it make sense to take words from a corrupted book to prove that it is a corrupted book?

Here's an analogy:

I write a book of nonsense. Not one sentence in it makes sense. You read it and realize that it is a book of total nonsense. Then you take words, sentences and passages from it to prove that thery are nonsense. Does it make sense? Are you not wasting your time?

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You are sterotyping here. Not ALL muslims share that kind of view. a lot of muslims read, study and teach OT to their students and children. I suspect you haven't really talked to a lot of muslims.

A lot of muslims have said that through the bible's many translations the book has become corrupted.

The bible being in Aramic, Hebrew, Greek and Latin...then over time gets translated into English may loose a lot of its inflexion (I guess i'm using the right word here to describe this).

We may have had translations of translations of a trasnlation to get the to the current Bible today.

des said:

I think there are several points that have been brought up that need addressing.

First of all, Christianity that exists now might be quite different than that practiced by Christians during Mohammeds time. Not everyone agreed in the same view of Jesus. There were quite acceptable views that did not suggest that Jesus and God were identical. Even the Trinity did have different connotations. Clearly there is also an Eastern Christianity, the Orthodox church, which does not share all the views of the Western church. Mohammed was much more likely to have run into Eastern Christians than Western ones. Of course, there are different views today but they tend to be marginalized by the conservative majority. However there are views of Christianity that do not proclaim Jesus as God.

In fact, throughout the Gospels there is a mix of statements attributed to Jesus that would claim that he either did or did not believe he was God.

There are also different interpretations of the same verses. For instance, the verse re: "God with us" can mean either incarnation, God's power in a man, or that he embodied God in some non-literal way.

Christianity is mentioned positively in the Quran many times. Jesus was, according to the Quran born of a virgin, he was one of only a few great prophet, etc. (I know Christians don't often see Jesus as a prophet but it does show that he was honored), etc. Christians are considered "people of the book" as are Jews.

There are a lot of beautiful things in the Quran, but you will never read them on the large no. of "Christian" websites out there that are propulgating hatred of Islam. I suggest you read something written by a Muslim. For instance, Reza Aslan's "No god but God". Or something by serious scholar which does not pick and chose for instance Karen Armstrong's "The History of God" or one of her short books on Islam.

If you want to find ugliness in the Hebrew Bible or the New Testament, you can certainly find them-- and it won't be hard. But you wouldn't want to miss the Beautitudes or the Psalms because you were so busy looking for them.

So I guess that I would agree that in some cases today the God worshipped by some Christians *is* different. But I think that the thread is "Elohim is the same as Allah". And I think that much is the case.


--des

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Thank you.......

This must be from another one of those anti-Islam websites because it is nonsense. (I might use stronger language, but I'll refrain.) Allah is a contraction of al-ilah, which means "The God". The God seems clearly to separate that God from the gods of the pagan world. The "translation" you quote is totally groundless. Allah doesn't mean satan.

You can argue, legitately the difference between the God of some Christians of trinity-- that in some interpretations that is actually different. But the definition you came up with is one sponsored by various Islam hatred sites.
It shouldn't be allowed in a discussion here. Controversy yes.
Hatred no.

--des

Apple Pie said:

Hi Hanif,

The God of the Holy Bible is not the god of the Koran.

This can be verified by simply examining the etymology of the classic languages. The word “allah” is a derivative of the root “ilaha”, which, according to the best lexicography in the world, demonstrates an intimate attachment to pagan idol worship, up to (and including) the great serpent.

Obviously, we all know who the great serpent is….Satan.

Further, the Koran’s opening sura loudly proclaims that “allah” is lord of the devils – in the ancient Arabic.

All the way through the Koran, the authors who penned the text attempt to cloak the god “allah” with the Biblical deity previously ascribed unto the Biblical Jesus Christ...in an attempt to make "it" into somthing that "it" definately is not...

The Koran’s closing sura has the writer desperately seeking refuge from “allah”…i.e. the devil…!


Time for the Islamic ignorance to stop….

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"The Greatest Commandment

28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'[f] 31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[g]There is no commandment greater than these."
32"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices." 34When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions."

~This is one of the most telling teachings in the Bible which makes it seem as though Jesus did not claim to be God Almighty, but was rather turning peoples hearts to the Almighty Father. It would be in perfect unity with what is taught in the Koran.

des said:

This must be from another one of those anti-Islam websites because it is nonsense. (I might use stronger language, but I'll refrain.) Allah is a contraction of al-ilah, which means "The God". The God seems clearly to separate that God from the gods of the pagan world. The "translation" you quote is totally groundless. Allah doesn't mean satan.

You can argue, legitately the difference between the God of some Christians of trinity-- that in some interpretations that is actually different. But the definition you came up with is one sponsored by various Islam hatred sites.
It shouldn't be allowed in a discussion here. Controversy yes.
Hatred no.

--des

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Hi Des,

Let’s start by defining the classical definition…


اللَّهُ = “allah”

“allahu” definition:

Written with the disjunctive alif, meaning God, i.e. the only true god, according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it. It is a proper name to the Being who exists necessarily, by Himself, comprising all of the attributes of perfection; a proper name denoting the true god (TA), comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all of the essences of existing things; the “al” being inseparable from it; not derived.

It comes from the root “ilaha”, which means he served, worshipped, or adored; to adore, worship, deify any one, call any one god. He was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course. An object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him that takes it as such. It signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 82 - 83
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 28 - 29


The implications…

• Observe the revealing definition for “allah”, that is given by Lane...“i.e. the only true god”
• Lane is referencing a very specific example in his definition by his illustrated example (i.e.)
• It is abundantly clear that he is referencing a “god” (lower case) to represent the “allah” of the Koran
• To re-enforce the fact that the “allah” of the Koran is no more than a “god”, and to erase any notion of error, Lane repeats his very same remarks a few lines farther down in his lexical definition for “allah”, by referencing a separate entry – this time from the legendary “Ta’j el-‘Aroos” (TA)
• (TA )“a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essence of existing things”
• Further, “allah” is derived from the root “ilaha”, which means “he was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course”
• This would hardly seem a logical definition for true deity
• “ilaha” also means “an object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him who takes it as such”…which signifies idolatry as mentioned in Revelation
• “ilaha” also signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon

There is no need for anger, Des, the evidence is very clear...

Apple Pie said:

Hi Hanif,

The God of the Holy Bible is not the god of the Koran.

This can be verified by simply examining the etymology of the classic languages. The word “allah” is a derivative of the root “ilaha”, which, according to the best lexicography in the world, demonstrates an intimate attachment to pagan idol worship, up to (and including) the great serpent.

Obviously, we all know who the great serpent is….Satan.

Further, the Koran’s opening sura loudly proclaims that “allah” is lord of the devils – in the ancient Arabic.

All the way through the Koran, the authors who penned the text attempt to cloak the god “allah” with the Biblical deity previously ascribed unto the Biblical Jesus Christ...in an attempt to make "it" into somthing that "it" definately is not...

The Koran’s closing sura has the writer desperately seeking refuge from “allah”…i.e. the devil…!


Time for the Islamic ignorance to stop….

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It's good that you brought up etymology... because it seems, by the quote above and others like it that you have a weak understanding of the word. I have been saying time and time again it is ELOAH.... And ELOAH mentioned in the OT is the same as ALLAH in the qur'an. Take the hebrew letters and start to turn them on their side and it reads the same in Arabic (ALLAH). Their language is derived from an earlier languaage...

compare Shalom and Salaam

Shalom aleichem

Assalamu alaikum

Allah is NOT an abbreviation of al-ilah or ilah

Allah and al-ilah are NOT the same words. The singular form is “Eloah” and appears several times in Hebrew scripture and in extra-canonical poetry. The words “El” and its variants are cognates of a Proto-Semitic form, which is the ultimate source of both the Hebrew Elohim/Eloah, the Aramaic Elaha/Alaha and the Arabic Allah.

In ancient Hebrew, in a certain period, the Jews distinguished between the numerous Elohim of the pagans and the one Elohim of Israel, using the same word as a descriptor for the pagan Elohim, who had several names, and the Jewish Elohim, whose name is the unspeakable word YHVH.

At the time of the revelation of the Qur’an, this double use was unknown in Arabic and the general descriptor for a divinity was “ilah” (“al-ilah”, when determined by the definite article) and Allah was the name given exclusively to the God of the Universe.

In Biblical Aramaic, it is “Elaha” and in Syriac or Eastern Aramaic, which was widespread in the Arabian peninsula at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), it was “Alaha”. The name of God, used today by both Arabic-speaking Christians and Muslims is “Allah”, a cognate of the Hebrew/Aramaic Elohim/Eloah/Elaha/Alaha.

In the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus (peace be on him) is reported in Matthew 27:46 to have uttered “Eli, Eli lama sabachthani” (My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me). In fact, Jesus is reciting Psalm 22 (23 in the Jewish Tanakh) and the actual word uttered was either the liturgical Hebrew “Eli” or the Aramaic vernacular equivalent “Alahi” as suggested by the variant spelling “Eloi” found in Mark 15:34.

The word “ilah” appears in the Muslim confession of faith, where it means “divinity” in the abstract sense. In the same confession, Allah means the One God of the Universe who was worshipped by Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be on them all).

La ilaha illa Allah… (There is no divinity except Allah)......Look...just take the word ELOAH and ALLAH...Take the hebrew lettering and turn them on their side. The same for Shalom and salaam. Look at the links above from wikipedia and you will see...FINALLY....it is the same and their GOG is the same.....

Apple Pie said:

Hi Hanif,

The God of the Holy Bible is not the god of the Koran.

This can be verified by simply examining the etymology of the classic languages. The word “allah” is a derivative of the root “ilaha”, which, according to the best lexicography in the world, demonstrates an intimate attachment to pagan idol worship, up to (and including) the great serpent.

Obviously, we all know who the great serpent is….Satan.

Further, the Koran’s opening sura loudly proclaims that “allah” is lord of the devils – in the ancient Arabic.

All the way through the Koran, the authors who penned the text attempt to cloak the god “allah” with the Biblical deity previously ascribed unto the Biblical Jesus Christ...in an attempt to make "it" into somthing that "it" definately is not...

The Koran’s closing sura has the writer desperately seeking refuge from “allah”…i.e. the devil…!


Time for the Islamic ignorance to stop….

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Oh...and for your information the person is seeking refuge in GOD from Satan the rejected one.

Your ignorance is killing me......:areyoucra

muslims start the quran by saying "I seek refuge in God from Satan the rejected"

Then they say "in the name of God the most gracious, most merciful"

Come on now.... Please.....Please.... actually spend some time reading the quran and talking with muslims before you start quoting that which you have no understanding of.

ELOAH=ALLAH
Satan=Saytan (muslims pronounce it shaytaan)

So...NO... ALLAH and Satan ARE NOT the same...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

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astarath said:

Elohim translated mean the high god El in herbrew the matching word in hebrew would be Adonai.

Adonai translated mean "God" Allah means "the God"

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ELOAH....ALLAH...(The Same)

Take the hebrew letters of ELOAH..turn them on their side and you have ALLAH...

Shalom....Salaam....(The Same)


Take the hebrew letters and turn them on their side and you have the same thing....

DreGod07 said:

It's good that you brought up etymology... because it seems, by the quote above and others like it that you have a weak understanding of the word. I have been saying time and time again it is ELOAH.... And ELOAH mentioned in the OT is the same as ALLAH in the qur'an. Take the hebrew letters and start to turn them on their side and it reads the same in Arabic (ALLAH). Their language is derived from an earlier languaage...

compare Shalom and Salaam

Shalom aleichem

Assalamu alaikum

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Hi dg7,

Thanks for your reply…

Unfortunately your googled wikipedia links do not show any classical lexicography with which to verify your assertion…

Allah is NOT an abbreviation of al-ilah or ilah

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Who said that it was…?

Allah and al-ilah are NOT the same words. The singular form is “Eloah” and appears several times in Hebrew scripture and in extra-canonical poetry. The words “El” and its variants are cognates of a Proto-Semitic form, which is the ultimate source of both the Hebrew Elohim/Eloah, the Aramaic Elaha/Alaha and the Arabic Allah.

In ancient Hebrew, in a certain period, the Jews distinguished between the numerous Elohim of the pagans and the one Elohim of Israel, using the same word as a descriptor for the pagan Elohim, who had several names, and the Jewish Elohim, whose name is the unspeakable word YHVH.

At the time of the revelation of the Qur’an, this double use was unknown in Arabic and the general descriptor for a divinity was “ilah” (“al-ilah”, when determined by the definite article) and Allah was the name given exclusively to the God of the Universe.

In Biblical Aramaic, it is “Elaha” and in Syriac or Eastern Aramaic, which was widespread in the Arabian peninsula at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), it was “Alaha”. The name of God, used today by both Arabic-speaking Christians and Muslims is “Allah”, a cognate of the Hebrew/Aramaic Elohim/Eloah/Elaha/Alaha.

In the King James Version of the Bible, Jesus (peace be on him) is reported in Matthew 27:46 to have uttered “Eli, Eli lama sabachthani” (My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me). In fact, Jesus is reciting Psalm 22 (23 in the Jewish Tanakh) and the actual word uttered was either the liturgical Hebrew “Eli” or the Aramaic vernacular equivalent “Alahi” as suggested by the variant spelling “Eloi” found in Mark 15:34.

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Where are your references…?

The word “ilah” appears in the Muslim confession of faith, where it means “divinity” in the abstract sense. In the same confession, Allah means the One God of the Universe who was worshipped by Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be on them all).

La ilaha illa Allah… (There is no divinity except Allah)......Look...just take the word ELOAH and ALLAH...Take the hebrew lettering and turn them on their side. The same for Shalom and salaam. Look at the links above from wikipedia and you will see...FINALLY....it is the same and their GOG is the same.....

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Again…

A classic Arabic reference…?

DreGod07 said:

Oh...and for your information the person is seeking refuge in GOD from Satan the rejected one.

Your ignorance is killing me......:areyoucra

muslims start the quran by saying "I seek refuge in God from Satan the rejected"

Then they say "in the name of God the most gracious, most merciful"

Come on now.... Please.....Please.... actually spend some time reading the quran and talking with muslims before you start quoting that which you have no understanding of.

ELOAH=ALLAH
Satan=Saytan (muslims pronounce it shaytaan)

So...NO... ALLAH and Satan ARE NOT the same...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

:slap:

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Let's look...

114.1 Say: "I seek refuge from the people's lord."
114.2 "The people's king."
114.3 "The people's god."
114.4 "From the evil whisperer, the devil.”
114.5 "Whom he whispers in the people's heart."
114.6 "From the jinn and the people."



You are missing the initiator...

قل أعوذ برب الناس

Qul aAAoothu birabbi alnnasi

114.1 Say: "I seek refuge from the people's lord."


The writer is listing things that he want s refuge from...not in....