Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
gracie said:oh, boy...
*passes out muffins to everyone*
uhhhh......banana nut for me please....
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Your religion a lie?
- Thread starter Anti-World
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uhhhh......banana nut for me please....
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
michel said:
Don't you mean as far as you know?
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
um... so my conservitive Christian Parents led me to being an Indipendant non-Christian?
wow, won't they be dissapointed.
wa:do
wow, won't they be dissapointed.
wa:do
My question is, does Anti World respect people who are older and further down the path of life? You expect this respect, do you give it?
You look over your shoulder and see your past and are far away from that now. Is your journey over?
You did not outgrow religion, Organised religion failed you. It is not your fault where you are on your journey and you truthfully cannot say where it will eventually take you.
You only know how you feel right now.
I will wager that I am older than you, not that it matters to me, but you want people to defer to you, so give me what you ask of others as well.
Even if I am not older, I am much farther down the spiritual path that you have described. That does not make me any better, all I ask is to hear my story.
I too left organised religion and became Pagan. I became a witch in a ritual with a member of the Golden Dawn who attended the rite. Later I practiced Ceremonial Magick. My true interest was the Kabbalah and the Tarot. I have seen Goetic spirits and traveled the world participating, teaching and learning the Magickal Arts. I have many friends who are Druid, and Knights Templar.
The more you study the Qabalah, the more you come to realize that all religions come from one creator who sent many messengers to many people who started different religions throughout the world.
Religions that went on for generations became perverted or changed and messages handed down reflected the desires of men to keep their women subservient.
Does anyone find it funny that all of the bible is in the dead sea scrolls, but all of the dead sea scrolls are not in the bible?
How about the writings of Moses? Many different religions claim to descend from Abraham. Even so, people kill and maim each other every day in the name of religion.
It is no small wonder that people have had enough and have fled organised religion. Each one arrogantly thinking they are the true and correct while condemning the others.
Anyway, I have came full circle and hold no allegiance to any certain belief system.
I cannot call myself Pagan any more although I have moderated a Pagan forum for years in the past. Magick is very real, I can attest to that. The bible speaks of these things, so even Christians should believe that they exist. Some People don't believe in the Devil. He is real, but I have not known him as some have.
My point is, Anti-World, you do not know where your journey may take you. To think you do is self delusional. I would have never believed that I have came full circle, but I have, Praise God!
You look over your shoulder and see your past and are far away from that now. Is your journey over?
You did not outgrow religion, Organised religion failed you. It is not your fault where you are on your journey and you truthfully cannot say where it will eventually take you.
You only know how you feel right now.
I will wager that I am older than you, not that it matters to me, but you want people to defer to you, so give me what you ask of others as well.
Even if I am not older, I am much farther down the spiritual path that you have described. That does not make me any better, all I ask is to hear my story.
I too left organised religion and became Pagan. I became a witch in a ritual with a member of the Golden Dawn who attended the rite. Later I practiced Ceremonial Magick. My true interest was the Kabbalah and the Tarot. I have seen Goetic spirits and traveled the world participating, teaching and learning the Magickal Arts. I have many friends who are Druid, and Knights Templar.
The more you study the Qabalah, the more you come to realize that all religions come from one creator who sent many messengers to many people who started different religions throughout the world.
Religions that went on for generations became perverted or changed and messages handed down reflected the desires of men to keep their women subservient.
Does anyone find it funny that all of the bible is in the dead sea scrolls, but all of the dead sea scrolls are not in the bible?
How about the writings of Moses? Many different religions claim to descend from Abraham. Even so, people kill and maim each other every day in the name of religion.
It is no small wonder that people have had enough and have fled organised religion. Each one arrogantly thinking they are the true and correct while condemning the others.
Anyway, I have came full circle and hold no allegiance to any certain belief system.
I cannot call myself Pagan any more although I have moderated a Pagan forum for years in the past. Magick is very real, I can attest to that. The bible speaks of these things, so even Christians should believe that they exist. Some People don't believe in the Devil. He is real, but I have not known him as some have.
My point is, Anti-World, you do not know where your journey may take you. To think you do is self delusional. I would have never believed that I have came full circle, but I have, Praise God!
Anti-World
Member
"That is the biggest load of bull in the entire world. The whole concept of laws and punishing crime is to protect not only individuals, but society as a whole. Yes, it is self preservation, but what is being preserved is society."
Preserving society is a side effect or, possibly, the other way around. Meh, it makes little difference. That does not mean laws were not created out of self-preservation. *rolls his eyes*
Rolling_Stone, your defensive reaction only makes me think that I have annoyed you in some way. Sorry about that. *smirks*
The arbitrary connections with what I beleive and don't beleive are getting very frustrating. You don't answer the question and then degrade me. Is it becuase it makes you feel better? Is it because you feel you have to have a connection with me in some way in order to voice your own structure? Bah, I don't really care. Why isn't your religion a lie? What physical evidence (meaning something based off of science and/or the five senses) do you have for knowing (Not beleiving) your religion is right? Maybe you are dancing around that question because you know the answer is that there isn't anything. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
"Because Anti-World is really afraid to believe in anything...He can try and rationalize everything away but ultimately end up confused and alone...:yes:"
Indeed... I can't stand it any longer! SOMEONE GIVE ME A HUG! You people... Why am I getting so many responses like this?
I'm confused and alone. The confusion, however, is not a creation of my lack of belief but, rather, is the creation of the belief of others. My being alone, however, is due to my own personality, something of which, unless you are one of the 1:100 people like myself, you aren't going to understand.
"Who is the liar, then?"
Preserving society is a side effect or, possibly, the other way around. Meh, it makes little difference. That does not mean laws were not created out of self-preservation. *rolls his eyes*
Rolling_Stone, your defensive reaction only makes me think that I have annoyed you in some way. Sorry about that. *smirks*
The arbitrary connections with what I beleive and don't beleive are getting very frustrating. You don't answer the question and then degrade me. Is it becuase it makes you feel better? Is it because you feel you have to have a connection with me in some way in order to voice your own structure? Bah, I don't really care. Why isn't your religion a lie? What physical evidence (meaning something based off of science and/or the five senses) do you have for knowing (Not beleiving) your religion is right? Maybe you are dancing around that question because you know the answer is that there isn't anything. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
"Because Anti-World is really afraid to believe in anything...He can try and rationalize everything away but ultimately end up confused and alone...:yes:"
Indeed... I can't stand it any longer! SOMEONE GIVE ME A HUG! You people... Why am I getting so many responses like this?
I'm confused and alone. The confusion, however, is not a creation of my lack of belief but, rather, is the creation of the belief of others. My being alone, however, is due to my own personality, something of which, unless you are one of the 1:100 people like myself, you aren't going to understand.
"Who is the liar, then?"
MaddLlama
Obstructor of justice
AW, if you haven't already seen it, I'd like to direct your attention to this thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47750
Anti-World
Member
"My point is, Anti-World, you do not know where your journey may take you. To think you do is self delusional."
When and where did I say that I know where my "journey" is going to take me?
"The more you study the Qabalah, the more you come to realize that all religions come from one creator who sent many messengers to many people who started different religions throughout the world."
That's an interesting statement, is that based on belief as well?
"I will wager that I am older than you"
Alot of people have been doing that lately.
"I am much farther down the spiritual path that you have described."
Alot of people keep saying that too. *rolls his eyes*
When and where did I say that I know where my "journey" is going to take me?
"The more you study the Qabalah, the more you come to realize that all religions come from one creator who sent many messengers to many people who started different religions throughout the world."
That's an interesting statement, is that based on belief as well?
"I will wager that I am older than you"
Alot of people have been doing that lately.
"I am much farther down the spiritual path that you have described."
Alot of people keep saying that too. *rolls his eyes*
Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
I'm going to ask you, as a fellow member, to please stop using emotes like '*rolls his eyes*. If you've seen others doing this, please alert me to it, and I will ask them, too. It's something that's more suitable for other forums.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Actually, leaving out everything on the table, except for the booz, was my idea. As far as doing the activities, gambling is really the only thing I do when everyone else is, and thats only because 9 out of 10 times, I usually don't feel like playing, but my friends start counting change in our box, throw in the pool, and throw me some chips. Trust me, if I want to do anything, I do it. I really don't care what others think.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
if they knew they were the reason I'm a "double heathen" then they'd never forgive themselves. LOL
besides which my other siblings are all conservitives and christians. (but not nessicarily "conservitive christians")
anyway, I came to my faith of my own volition, no peer pressure, no arm twisting or brainwashing.
wa:do
XAAX
Active Member
Anti-World said:
The only reason I understand where you are coming from and can predict the end result is due to the fact I know someone very much like this. He is very intelligent. Well, in some ways he is. The problem is he is more intelligent in the sense of being able to retain and process information more than the average person. What he lost for this increase was the ability to put it all together and believe in something without every little detail answered.
I have stated before that my beliefs are not set in stone, nor should any one elses be. When you do things like this you limit yourself and cease to grow. Instead mine are based heavily in scientific as well as spiritual reason. Based on percentages of all the facts that I have gathered. Do I believe in God by my definition of God? I would say with a 99.99% that God(Universe) does exist.
If you are having trouble grasping the concept of God it may be because your definition of God is still skewed by religions. God to me is the "living" spiritual energy through out the Universe. To me God and Universe are interchangeable words. If you believe in science and have studied physics, then you know that energy never ceases to exist, it merely changes form.
I believe this is where many religions have failed in their explanation of God. They try to put a human figure in place of that Force. Trying to answer the big questions from any religious standpoint will only leave you confused. The reason for this is they have no relevant starting point. How can you build a belief without a good foundation? By the way, I meant no insult by my post. I hope I explained myself a little better.
jmaster78
Member
xexon said:
as has been said, you must be really smart given your age???? maybe because you looked at these religions from the wrong angle, maybe you expected your own private miracle, maybe you weren't as committed as you should have been, there are many reasons why religion didn't provide the answers you required? maybe religion answers other peoples questions! it answered mine, granted i had to look at many different religions before one provided the answers my fact craving, faith reluctant mind was able to accept!
pladecalvo
Member
smoky*mountain*starlight said:
Anti-World
Member
I guess I wont use emotes. It's just faster than looking for the right smiley. Especially since I usually reply in the "quick reply". Oh well. I don't make the rules.
Xaax. I think you'll find that, although people are generally very predictable, you can not assume all of them to act the same way as another.
Lone_Wolf- Perhaps you're different than the vaste majority. Would you say, however, that your religion has any kind of unfabricated basis?
Xaax. I think you'll find that, although people are generally very predictable, you can not assume all of them to act the same way as another.
Lone_Wolf- Perhaps you're different than the vaste majority. Would you say, however, that your religion has any kind of unfabricated basis?
To Anti-World
Don't you see? When you look at all religions the one thing they have in common is that they are groups of people. You all reach out to other people to give meaning to your morals when, when it comes down to it, there really isn't any. Your beleif becomes a foundation on itself. Rediculous arbitrary morals. - This is not a true statement. When people look to religious they aren't reaching out to other people. They are seeking God, the meaning and purpsoe of life. Others too may at the same time be searching, hence the reason why people come together as groups to learn about/praise God. We don't have to reach out to people for the meaning of morals--all that is established in the Bible and none of them are arbitrary.
Don't you see? When you look at all religions the one thing they have in common is that they are groups of people. You all reach out to other people to give meaning to your morals when, when it comes down to it, there really isn't any. Your beleif becomes a foundation on itself. Rediculous arbitrary morals. - This is not a true statement. When people look to religious they aren't reaching out to other people. They are seeking God, the meaning and purpsoe of life. Others too may at the same time be searching, hence the reason why people come together as groups to learn about/praise God. We don't have to reach out to people for the meaning of morals--all that is established in the Bible and none of them are arbitrary.