Does God use a channel ?

Sedim Haba said:

Yehoshua 'Joshua' has a similar meaning from the same roots. That would also be a problem,
but it's obviously not. Unless someone were to pray to either man as if they were a god. I don't.

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That is not what the Commandment says. Do not take the name in vain is the message for Commandment #3. Praying, would be more in line with Commandment #2, in which one is not to bow down to idols.

Sedim Haba said:

It's very possible that we don't have the same understanding of the terms 'enemy/devil'.

As I've said many times on this forum, the best way to understand HaSatan is to read Job.
(No rebellious 'fallen angel' there, an obedient servant of G-d) HaSatan is our adversary, not G-d's.
Understand, that for Jews, there are no 'fallen angels'. NO revolt is in the Tanach. None.

Now, for the 'enemy' if you understand who Jacob is wrestling with in Genesis 32:24...
you will understand who the enemy is, who the 'antichrist' is. Xians will refuse to acknowledge.

(Edit: I won't see any reply to this post until Sunday, I'm Shomer Shabbat (Sabbath observant))

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Don't worry, it is only 10 A.M. of the 6th day in the U.S. Did the Jewish priests preach on the Sabbath? Did Yeshua heal on the Sabbath? Apparently, you don't believe the message of Yeshua per Revelation 20:2, with regard to Satan, or Matthew 4 with regard to the devil, or Psalms 110:1 with regard to thine "enemies". Who were the demons, for which Enoch said were the spirits of the dead "men of renown" who were the product of the heavenly watchers (sons of God) and the daughters of men? (Genesis 6:4)? Do you believe in demons, which casting out, was part of Yeshua's message? I am not sure were the foundation of your religion springs. If you skirt the Commandments, as do the Pharisees (Jeremiah 8:8), and don't heed the message of Yeshua, where is your focus? As for "Job", it was referring to the sons of God, which would be the angels, the heavenly watchers, who are under the authority of God, but according to Yeshua, they are linked with the princes of Babylon, Persia, and Greece, per Daniel 10, and apparently give their authority to the beasts per the message of Yeshua in Revelation 13:4 in the form of the dragon/Satan/devil/serpent (Revelation 20:2), which in turn gives support to the daughters of Babylon, "Harlots", which include the "Christian" churches (Revelation 17:3), and the Jews who worshipped Bel, and sacrificed their children to that god related to the church (daughter) of Babylon..

Neuropteron said:

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

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A humorous answer to the question from George Burn's 'Oh God' suggest yes, God uses channels, but not the ones you'd expect. When God appears to an assistant grocery manager as a good-natured old man....and ignores the religious leaders.

pearl said:

A humorous answer to the question from George Burn's 'Oh God' suggest yes, God uses channels, but not the ones you'd expect. When God appears to an assistant grocery manager as a good-natured old man....and ignores the religious leaders.

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Hi,
Good point, thanks

Neuropteron said:

Hi,

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

My question is, is that a scriptural teaching ?
I am aware that in the past God (Jehovah) used prophets to instruct people of his will and convey his thoughts, but does he still do that today, or on the other hand is (for Christians) Jesus Christ our only teacher ?

Your comments are appriciated.

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Jesus did create an organization starting with the Twelve, but as time went on disputes and politics caused some splintering. So, they reflect the source even though there's some areas of disagreement.

However, imo at least, Christianity is not the only source.

metis said:

Jesus did create an organization starting with the Twelve, but as time went on disputes and politics caused some splintering. So, they reflect the source even though there's some areas of disagreement.

However, imo at least, Christianity is not the only source.

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Hi,
Thank you for your thought.
It was said that opinions are like noses, everybody has one.
Although I respect your opinion I think we are better served in following Jesus who stated that there is only one source of truth.

2ndpillar said:

That is not what the Commandment says. Do not take the name in vain is the message for Commandment #3. Praying, would be more in line with Commandment #2, in which one is not to bow down to idols.

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You do know that Jews and Xians number the 10 differently, right? But that doesn't matter.
The important thing is don't pray to/worship/bow to anyone but G-d.

Don't worry, it is only 10 A.M. of the 6th day in the U.S. Did the Jewish priests preach on the Sabbath? Did Yeshua heal on the Sabbath?

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I knew I'd not be online until after. It is work that is prohibited on the Sabbath. Men extended and
added onto this until Sabbath becomes a burden rather than a blessing. Not the way it should be.

Apparently, you don't believe the message of Yeshua per Revelation ....

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I'm going to have to stop you right there. The so-called book of 'Revelation' is false and NOT any
message from Yeshua. In fact, it's the work of the 'antichrist' and I have to admit... it's genius.
How better to hide the truth, than to invent a supernatural boogeyman version to distract?
Who will recognize the real human when looking for a demon-spawn beast?

I follow only Yeshua mostly by Matthew, and reject Paul and all of his trash, including his fan John.

I see you completely ignored my final point, so I will repeat it again, and you will respond.

"Now, for the 'enemy' if you understand who Jacob is wrestling with in Genesis 32:24...
you will understand who the enemy is, who the 'antichrist' is. Xians will refuse to acknowledge."

Sedim Haba said:

I'm going to have to stop you right there. The so-called book of 'Revelation' is false and NOT any
message from Yeshua. In fact, it's the work of the 'antichrist' and I have to admit... it's genius.

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If Revelation was written by author/s at either Ephesia or Patmos, I have read that an hallucinogenic mushroom grows there.......
In any event it's junk.

How better to hide the truth, than to invent a supernatural boogeyman version to distract?
Who will recognize the real human when looking for a demon-spawn beast?

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Well, it was a good way of controlling the people. Obey us and get heaven or disobey us and get everlasting torture, eternally. Not a bad encouragement for sheep.

I follow only Yeshua mostly by Matthew, and reject Paul and all of his trash, including his fan John.

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Paul had no interest in Yeshua, and the authors of G-John were never with him, never knew him. Their collection of accounts was jumbled in to an imaginary timeline and stretched out considerably, and yet it's the book that is quoted most.
Daft, I call it.

Neuropteron said:

Although I respect your opinion I think we are better served in following Jesus who stated that there is only one source of truth.

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Who does that?
I haven't met with a Christian who follows what Jesus stated in years, although I may have passed some in the streets and woods around here.

Matthew {6:19} Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: {6:20} But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: {6:21} For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Mark {10:24} And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! {10:25} It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Neuropteron said:

Hi,

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

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Bahais also believe that their God guides their leaders.
The idea that a group of people can control others in the belief that God guides them would be totally terrifying if they ever got control.

My question is, is that a scriptural teaching ?

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Yes, it is........ people write scripture, not God, and ideas that scripture can prove God's guidance of leaders is touching, sweet, nice etc...until it starts to affect countries, and then it is horrific.

I am aware that in the past God (Jehovah) used prophets to instruct people of his will and convey his thoughts, but does he still do that today, or on the other hand is (for Christians) Jesus Christ our only teacher ?

Your comments are appriciated.

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Surely, this isn't about any one religion, sect, cult or group.......it's about any group that thinks its leaders are Guided by God.

But......... there is one Ruler of the world that does decide what happens, and that is the Great Deity's Governor for here, and that is Mother Nature. She rules everything and everyone. You can believe that.

Sedim Haba said:

You do know that Jews and Xians number the 10 differently, right? But that doesn't matter.
The important thing is don't pray to/worship/bow to anyone but G-d.


I knew I'd not be online until after. It is work that is prohibited on the Sabbath. Men extended and
added onto this until Sabbath becomes a burden rather than a blessing. Not the way it should be.



I'm going to have to stop you right there. The so-called book of 'Revelation' is false and NOT any
message from Yeshua. In fact, it's the work of the 'antichrist' and I have to admit... it's genius.
How better to hide the truth, than to invent a supernatural boogeyman version to distract?
Who will recognize the real human when looking for a demon-spawn beast?

I follow only Yeshua mostly by Matthew, and reject Paul and all of his trash, including his fan John.

I see you completely ignored my final point, so I will repeat it again, and you will respond.

"Now, for the 'enemy' if you understand who Jacob is wrestling with in Genesis 32:24...
you will understand who the enemy is, who the 'antichrist' is. Xians will refuse to acknowledge."

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Actually, the Commandments are not numbered, but the second "Thou shalt" is with respect to graven images. The 3rd "Thou shalt", is with respect to "name in vain".
As for your "antichrist" figure, that term comes from your dispelled John. The Xians point to Daniel 7:25 as the "antichrist", and say it is a future figure, whereas John says otherwise. This figure of Daniel 7:25, if you had believed Revelation, or understood Daniel 7, is the 7th head of the beast, but would still have the iron component of Daniel 2:45, and according to Daniel 2:45, the metal kingdoms will reign until crushed by a stone cut out from the mountain without hands. That hasn't happened as of 11:02 AM on the 6th of February 2022. While each of the metals have been crushed independently, they have to be crushed all at the same time by the stone cut out of the mountain. That "enemy" has not all been crushed by that stone at the same time, and therefore Psalms 110:1, hasn't been completed, and the "antichrist", in the form of a head of the beast, still exists for time, times, and half a time, in the form of the Roman church established by your so called "antichrist", who was the Roman emperor Constantine. Yeshua came to give light to the Law and the prophets, and Daniel was a prophet who is not understood because of Isaiah 6:9 & Matthew 13:13.

oldbadger said:

Bahais also believe that their God guides their leaders.
The idea that a group of people can control others in the belief that God guides them would be totally terrifying if they ever got control.


Yes, it is........ people write scripture, not God, and ideas that scripture can prove God's guidance of leaders is touching, sweet, nice etc...until it starts to affect countries, and then it is horrific.



Surely, this isn't about any one religion, sect, cult or group.......it's about any group that thinks its leaders are Guided by God.

But......... there is one Ruler of the world that does decide what happens, and that is the Great Deity's Governor for here, and that is Mother Nature. She rules everything and everyone. You can believe that.

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And who wrote the laws of nature? If you know who wrote them, do you know what they are, and can you give me a unified law of physics?

Hockeycowboy said:

Hebrews 13:17

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Perhaps not a very good translation: "Obey those who rule you ..." When they begin to give advice for all occasions without bearing any responsibility for these tips - this is already "... rule you".

Bree said:

Well the Israelites were organised for worship. And the christian congregation had a method for worship too...they also had rules to follow and they had standards to uphold.

For that reason, a christian needs some guidance and those who were set to take the lead by Jesus were instructed at Matthew 28:19

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I agree - some kind, not control over faith or brainwashing.
Moses, the apostles did not have any privileges and led almost the same life as other people. They were servants of Jehovah and conveyed the will of God to people.
Do leaders who call themselves Jehovah's servants also live modestly?

Gezellig said:

Perhaps not a very good translation: "Obey those who rule you ..." When they begin to give advice for all occasions without bearing any responsibility for these tips - this is already "... rule you".

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I agree. The NWT (New World Translation) used by JW’s renders it “those who are taking the lead.” Appointed men, to be sure, but Jesus said we should all be brothers.

2ndpillar said:

And who wrote the laws of nature? If you know who wrote them, do you know what they are, and can you give me a unified law of physics?

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I don't know who wrote them
I don't know what they all are
I don't know any unified law of Nature

But you can believe me when I tell you that Nature rules here, and Chaos is Nature's friend.
If you don't believe me then just give Nature time....you soon will.

oldbadger said:

I don't know who wrote them
I don't know what they all are
I don't know any unified law of Nature

But you can believe me when I tell you that Nature rules here, and Chaos is Nature's friend.
If you don't believe me then just give Nature time....you soon will.

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Men know of no "unified law". They only grabble along in the dark, for they have rejected the light. If you are as old as you imply, you may be about to enter into the dark where your present-day foray into thought will not provoke you any longer.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens--He is God; He formed the earth and ...
... . He made the world to be lived in, not to be a place of empty chaos. "I am the LORD," he says, "and there is no other ...

2ndpillar said:

Men know of no "unified law". They only grabble along in the dark, for they have rejected the light. If you are as old as you imply, you may be about to enter into the dark where your present-day foray into thought will not provoke you any longer.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens--He is God; He formed the earth and ...
... . He made the world to be lived in, not to be a place of empty chaos. "I am the LORD," he says, "and there is no other ...

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True.......... My atoms are soon to be scattered all over, as will yours be.
Bothered? I was dead for countless billions and trillions of years and it was alright. It can be alright again.

Poor Isaiah...... he must have thought that his Lord waited for billions of years to put his kind here on this tiny little planet amidst the most enormous mass of galaxies........ now how's that for megalomania?

Nature is my governor here, and surely will be yours.

2ndpillar said:

As for your "antichrist" figure, that term comes from your dispelled John. The Xians point to Daniel 7:25 as the "antichrist", and say it is a future figure.

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Except that Daniel is NOT a prophet. Put this into Google: is Daniel a prophet in Judaism

See what did I tell you about using Xian terms? That's why I always typed 'antichrist' with ' '.
But if I had used the Jewish name Belial, you wouldn't understand who I was referring to.
Even Belial isn't universally accepted in Judaism, coming from a Hellenized influence.

But my point here is that John didn't invent the term, he got it from the Jews.
Many scholars place the book of John around the year 100, and that's right about when Nero
was being considered Belial by many Jews.

I see you ONCE AGAIN completely ignored my final point, so I will repeat it again, and you will respond.

"Now, for the 'enemy' if you understand who Jacob is wrestling with in Genesis 32:24...
you will understand who the enemy is, who Belial is. Xians will refuse to acknowledge."

I replaced the term that you objected to. Or is Al Masiḥ al-Dajjal better?

Neuropteron said:

Hi,
Thank you for your thought.
It was said that opinions are like noses, everybody has one.
Although I respect your opinion I think we are better served in following Jesus who stated that there is only one source of truth.

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Fine, but just remember that you learned about Jesus through the process I mentioned as both the scriptures and teachings didn't create themselves. It was Jesus and the Apostles that started the Church, and it was that same Church that chose the canon in the 4th century of the scriptures that you probably rely on. Thus, without the Church, Jesus' message would have died or undoubtedly became seriously twisted.

Sedim Haba said:

Except that Daniel is NOT a prophet. Put this into Google: is Daniel a prophet in Judaism

See what did I tell you about using Xian terms? That's why I always typed 'antichrist' with ' '.
But if I had used the Jewish name Belial, you wouldn't understand who I was referring to.
Even Belial isn't universally accepted in Judaism, coming from a Hellenized influence.

But my point here is that John didn't invent the term, he got it from the Jews.
Many scholars place the book of John around the year 100, and that's right about when Nero
was being considered Belial by many Jews.

I see you ONCE AGAIN completely ignored my final point, so I will repeat it again, and you will respond.

"Now, for the 'enemy' if you understand who Jacob is wrestling with in Genesis 32:24...
you will understand who the enemy is, who Belial is. Xians will refuse to acknowledge."

I replaced the term that you objected to. Or is Al Masiḥ al-Dajjal better?

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I can see where your confusion comes from if Google is your source of understanding. Are you saying the book of Daniel is a lie, and "these words are concealed, and sealed up until the end of time", is a lie? As for Belial, in Hebrew it would mean "worthless" and in the NT it is only referred to by your favorite apostle Paul. As for Matthew, Yeshua refers to Peter as "Satan", a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:19), which would be in reference to the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, who would not feed, tend or care for the sheep (Zechariah 11:16). As for the "Al Masih", are you now a Muslim as well? As for Genesis 32:24, apparently Jacob wrestled with a "man", apparently the son of man. I sense confusion coming from you, but do not know from whence it comes. Unless of course, it is from Belial.

New American Standard Bible Genesis 32:24
Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak.