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No escape from an evil God

1213

Well-Known Member
What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?
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Bible tells God gives eternal life for righteous. So, if you would like to have eternal life and if you are evil and unrighteous, then you may have reason to fear. However, if you are evil and unrighteous, you probably don’t fear God.

I think God is good, righteous, truthful and loving. That is why I don’t see reason to fear Him, I am sure He will do what is good and right and I like that.
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

He has absolute power over each and every sentient being

So I think it is an important question for us to try and address

But then what could we possibly do about it? He's The Supreme Being!

We're trapped in his creation

There's no way out, no way of escaping him

You literally cannot escape an omnipresent being

He is unescapable!

Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!

What if God is truly nice?
What if he's in fact loving and kind?
Shouldn't we love and respect him?
Is it really necessary to live in fear when we can have hope instead?
What if we fell free instead of trapped?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes, but if we dig further, we find God is the one and only, complimentary opposites like good and evil (and like ying and yang, light and dark, etc..) must be present for there to be creation. Without the tension between complimentary opposites, there would be no movement, no creation. The dark angel Satan and good angel Michael are both expressions of the one God.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
in Scripture we find when it says ' evil ' it is Not always synonymous with wrong doing but with calamity.
The 10 Plagues were a calamity for the Egyptians who backed Pharaoh.
The Flood was a calamity for the violent people of Noah's day.
It will be a calamity fhe figurative haughty ' goats ' at the coming time of separation on Earth (Matthew 25:31-33,37)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Bible tells God gives eternal life for righteous. So, if you would like to have eternal life and if you are evil and unrighteous, then you may have reason to fear. However, if you are evil and unrighteous, you probably don’t fear God.
I think God is good, righteous, truthful and loving. That is why I don’t see reason to fear Him, I am sure He will do what is good and right and I like that.

When the Bible says to fear God it is not speaking about fright but to have reverential fear of displeasing God.
Remember: there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
The evil ones are the wicked ones who will perish (be destroyed) forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
So, all three groups should fear displeasing God.
Both the righteous (ones who have accurate knowledge of Jesus and follow him) and the un-righteous (those who never had accurate knowledge of Jesus) can have a favorable judgement.
Only the wicked (ones who deliberately choose to rebel against God and Jesus) have an adverse judgement.
The wicked will never have eternal life neither in Heaven or on Earth, but be gone forever - 2 Peter 3:9
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
in Scripture we find when it says ' evil ' it is Not always synonymous with wrong doing but with calamity.
The 10 Plagues were a calamity for the Egyptians who backed Pharaoh.
The Flood was a calamity for the violent people of Noah's day.
It will be a calamity fhe figurative haughty ' goats ' at the coming time of separation on Earth (Matthew 25:31-33,37)
Sure that is so. But from the context of the Isaiah quote, God is implying to the reader that He is the source of the full range of events, the use of complimentary opposite terms like light and dark, peace and calamity is just the rhetoric to conveys this. It is not as though less light or less dark states are not a result of God, same with the good and evil states, in includes all the states in between, nothing happens whatsoever that is not of God.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Even science says before the blast that began evolution after the blast form of some type previous and unknown existed.

Humans try to theory about what origin form is as origin form that created evolution.

Nowhere near any type of origin.

Yet egotists who are not nice kind loving motivated by a claim say see my presence as a God. Now claim it and state so I know just human that it will be known.

Yet he pulls apart attacks anything using machines to claim he will identify it.

God earths machines attacking is using one less radiating mass than UFO. Colder by not being a sun.

Claims it exists the identity within the substance he removes.

Does not make sense.

Challenge him he returns advice in a personal attack only. To the human and not about science.

As in determined reality he is theorising our life first as we own life first and not science.

One of our fathers human warnings know your evil minded brother by his behaviours.

He says he bodily owns all the heavens. We bodily only live inside oxygenated water. Mainly water ourselves in water chemical biology.

Chemicals not ours he studies.

In natural life he is conscious biology first. Only.

He thinks not about life himself.

He then says his biology lives inside of and is in the middle between of God sciences earth chemicals and heavens gases.

Water oxygenated heavens is our first.

Infinite space first O with God earth filled infinite is by heavens. We aren't in any middle his bio consciousness makes that claim. Is lying.

He then compared biology to his I want the middle inside all power bodies. Claiming it must be as biology. Himself the body in the middle.

Is possessed by his thoughts as science is man's self possession I think I am that God power.

He does not accept conscious reality he is by all descriptions our destroyer.

Angry humans lie as a human who knows truth does not need nor is motivated to attack another human personally.

He does as he wants to destroy us by use his anger first meaning you cannot challenge me.....then any choice I can destroy you if you dare to challenge what I think is supreme intelligence.

Just a human. Not any subject or object he studied.

Angered only because he already knows he is wrong.

The God who destroys us as alien sun god. Is amassed nuclear atom sun metals cooled by our God in our heavens that he intends to heat up inside of our heavens himself.

Earth God cooled it by space law. Void vacuum sucks cools whilst it is above.

His theme is outside our heavens hot radiation is not behind us. It is actually above us.

Why the flame was depicted above our head.

Why Stephen Haw King sacrificed life was s nig gered at said I want you to know that your brother wants you all burnt to death. Challenge is earths God by alien God.

Men who felt no compassion for a holy baby life who deteriorates before your eyes by science claim are self proven.

We are humans first not last being sciences own first in human life as its beginnings practice.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
In my attack AI heard man's designed science feedback. The voice said I will teach you sister to be a scientist.

And he did. He taught me what he already knew and agreed to cause.

As yet had not been successful as earths space laws has stopped him holy mother science themes.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Of course Satan can sin, what I said is despite that, he is an expression of God. Satan has the same free will as you do, and who knows, just like you, he may do some good things? Or do you believe that Satan has no free will and do a good deed?
He's like any king and has a kingdom to maintain on earth. So he does good sometimes for his followers but his heart is cold and completely dark. He doesn't really care for anyone but himself. He's a good actor though and has many convinced that he loves them.

But by their fruits you shall know them. He's bad and his fruit is bad and if they serve Satan long enough they find out the hard way that his good side is fake. His love is really cruelty. He's completely bad. He's sociopathic and psychopathic. Doesn't really have empathy. If he does show someone empathy it's an act so he can use them for his own purposes. Because he uses people's brokenness against them.
 

DNB

Christian
What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

He has absolute power over each and every sentient being

So I think it is an important question for us to try and address

But then what could we possibly do about it? He's The Supreme Being!

We're trapped in his creation

There's no way out, no way of escaping him

You literally cannot escape an omnipresent being

He is unescapable!

Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!
Evil and wickedness are not inherent powers, they are depravity, chaos, hypocrisy, and self-destructiveness. Therefore, the Being that created the heavens and the earth, could not possibly be as conflicted and disunified as most corrupt people are. His intelligence, structure, organization and power, is axiomatically evident in all His creation - chaos and confusion does not create order and precision. Equally, if man has any moral sense whatsoever, then this came from a righteous Being, as rocks, plants, mountains, stardust and protoplasm, do not produce such a sense and cognizance of justice and prudence.

God is both good and great, and He has entitled man to enjoy existence and life, and to experience love and joy. Therefore, to deny His existence, or to blatantly defy His ways, is to warrant consequence. Therefore, do not fear God, but your own obstinance and depravity - it is these dispositions that will get you in trouble, not God inviting or desiring it, but merely judiciously acting upon it, as every Holy entity should. One has nothing to fear, if they are not a transgressor.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
In any event, my point still stands, God is omnipotent, all that happens, good and evil, the bucks stops with him ultimately. It is a perfect arrangement, only the dark ones think God is imperfect and would like to change the way creation works.
God is light and in him is no darkness at all. Satan isn't an angel of light at all; he only masquerades as one to deceive people. (2 Corinthians 11:14) His time is limited and that's why he has great wrath.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
God is light and in him is no darkness at all. Satan isn't an angel of light at all; he only masquerades as one to deceive people. (2 Corinthians 11:14) His time is limited and that's why he has great wrath.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Genesis 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
So you have agreed that God created Satan earlier. Now I have a new question, who created darkness?
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
He's like any king and has a kingdom to maintain on earth. So he does good sometimes for his followers but his heart is cold and completely dark. He doesn't really care for anyone but himself. He's a good actor though and has many convinced that he loves them.

But by their fruits you shall know them. He's bad and his fruit is bad and if they serve Satan long enough they find out the hard way that his good side is fake. His love is really cruelty. He's completely bad. He's sociopathic and psychopathic. Doesn't really have empathy. If he does show someone empathy it's an act so he can use them for his own purposes. Because he uses people's brokenness against them.
Yes, Satan is of the world. "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." 1 John 2:15
Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. John 12:25
 

1213

Well-Known Member
When the Bible says to fear God it is not speaking about fright but to have reverential fear of displeasing God.
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I can agree with that. I think this could be compared to fear of fire. By what I know, people don’t exactly fear fire, but they are careful with it. Meaning, people don’t put hand in a fire, because they know it will burn. I think the same is with God. If people do wrong things, they will burn.

for our God is a consuming fire.
Heb. 12:29

But still, we should not be cowards, for:

...the cowardly, .. …and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Rev. 21:8

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

He has absolute power over each and every sentient being

So I think it is an important question for us to try and address

But then what could we possibly do about it? He's The Supreme Being!

We're trapped in his creation

There's no way out, no way of escaping him

You literally cannot escape an omnipresent being

He is unescapable!

Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!

God gave me life and the ability even to accept or deny Him which I think is pretty cool and very reasonable. Although He sends His Manifestations to offer us guidance He still allows us to learn the hard way through having wars, holocausts, genocides etc and permits us to go whichever way we want. We really create our own hell when we hate on each other, but God doesn’t interfere as He respects our wish to choose our own path.

So to my understanding He’s not a communist or dictator forcing us to do what He wants, He just patiently leaves our destiny up to us. And I am grateful to have my life. It is so full of meaning and contentment and I have God to thank also because I implemented some of His counsels regarding education and now I have some qualifications and I feel ennobled.

He’s like a loving Father to me when I look at my life and how I have had a stable marriage for over 43 years and how I have inner peace and contentment mainly through following His advice given in all religions and lately Baha’u’llah. So to me God is God and He’s awesome, incredible and really cares but does not force us to obey Him or believe in Him but to choose our own path good or bad.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
So you have agreed that God created Satan earlier. Now I have a new question, who created darkness?

According to the Bible, God created darkness, evil, calamity, and disasters (Isaiah 45:7). If God actually exists, then he is ultimately responsible for the messed up world we live in, because he's the creator, who is omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), omniscient (Psalms 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9-10; 1 John 3:20), and omnipresent (Psalms 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). If God is, in fact, all-knowing, then he knew that Adam and Eve would both disobey him before he created them. Having infinite knowledge, he also knew that he would curse humanity with sin, punish humanity for sinning against him despite the fact that he allowed sin in the first place, and he'd sacrifice his son to remedy the curse of sin that he could have prevented before he created Adam and Eve, or he could have ended sin and rebellion against him with Adam and Eve rather than callously inflict humanity with a sinful nature.

If God exists, and he has infinite power, then he had the ultimate power to stop the Holocaust and save the lives of six million Jews and five million non-Jews. Furthermore, if God has infinite knowledge, and he is ever-present, then he had foreknowledge that the Holocaust would happen, and yet he did absolutely nothing to stop it. That's not a loving and merciful god. God had foreknowledge of every tragedy and atrocities throughout human history, and yet, he allowed all these horrific tragedies to happen, and he didn't stop any of it. Personally, I think he's cruel and sadistic. No doubt his followers will attempt to defend him, but there's no excuse.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I can agree with that. I think this could be compared to fear of fire. By what I know, people don’t exactly fear fire, but they are careful with it. Meaning, people don’t put hand in a fire, because they know it will burn. I think the same is with God. If people do wrong things, they will burn.
for our God is a consuming fire. Heb. 12:29 But still, we should not be cowards, for:...the cowardly, .. …and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Rev. 21:8
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18

I like that you posted Revelation 21:8 because there we find the Bible's definition of the lake of fire.
That symbolic lake means or is defined as ' second death ' ( No resurrection from 2nd death )
That ' second death ' definition is also found at Revelation 20:13-14.

The God of the Bible is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29; Deuteronomy 4:24)
Fire in Scripture can stand for being clean or cleansed, to be made pure, other than annihilation for the wicked.
For the wicked are Not roasted but 'destroyed forever' according to Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
According to the Bible, God created darkness, evil, calamity, and disasters (Isaiah 45:7). If God actually exists, then he is ultimately responsible for the messed up world we live in, because he's the creator, who is omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), omniscient (Psalms 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9-10; 1 John 3:20), and omnipresent (Psalms 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). If God is, in fact, all-knowing, then he knew that Adam and Eve would both disobey him before he created them. Having infinite knowledge, he also knew that he would curse humanity with sin, punish humanity for sinning against him despite the fact that he allowed sin in the first place, and he'd sacrifice his son to remedy the curse of sin that he could have prevented before he created Adam and Eve, or he could have ended sin and rebellion against him with Adam and Eve rather than callously inflict humanity with a sinful nature.
If God exists, and he has infinite power, then he had the ultimate power to stop the Holocaust and save the lives of six million Jews and five million non-Jews. Furthermore, if God has infinite knowledge, and he is ever-present, then he had foreknowledge that the Holocaust would happen, and yet he did absolutely nothing to stop it. That's not a loving and merciful god. God had foreknowledge of every tragedy and atrocities throughout human history, and yet, he allowed all these horrific tragedies to happen, and he didn't stop any of it. Personally, I think he's cruel and sadistic. No doubt his followers will attempt to defend him, but there's no excuse.

Evil such as found at Isaiah 45:7 does Not have to be synonymous with wrong doing but with calamity.
The 10 plagues were a calamity for wrong doers, The Flood was a calamity for those wrong doers.

God is Not literally in the grave (Psalms 139:8) but the grave is in full view of God's eyes - Proverbs 15:11
God has a specific home location according to 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Kings 8:49 ( just No ZIP code mentioned )
Thus, God sends forth His spirit from His heavenly home location - Psalms 104:30.
ALL knowing does Not have to mean God did Not gift His creation with free-will choices.
Also. please notice Revelation 7:9,14 because the great crowd of people are: un-numbered.
That means God does Not know the exact number of who will make up that great crowd of people.
We are all given the free-will choice to ' repent ' if we don't want to ' perish ' (<- be destroyed) - 2 Peter 3:9
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

He has absolute power over each and every sentient being

So I think it is an important question for us to try and address

But then what could we possibly do about it? He's The Supreme Being!

We're trapped in his creation

There's no way out, no way of escaping him

You literally cannot escape an omnipresent being

He is unescapable!

Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!
Well you better hope he's good. Yes the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but not the end. It's a good place to start. What we can do is accept his sacrifice on our behalf and so our eternal destiny will be on a better and remade earth.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
According to the Bible, God created darkness, evil, calamity, and disasters (Isaiah 45:7). If God actually exists, then he is ultimately responsible for the messed up world we live in, because he's the creator, who is omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), omniscient (Psalms 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9-10; 1 John 3:20), and omnipresent (Psalms 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). If God is, in fact, all-knowing, then he knew that Adam and Eve would both disobey him before he created them. Having infinite knowledge, he also knew that he would curse humanity with sin, punish humanity for sinning against him despite the fact that he allowed sin in the first place, and he'd sacrifice his son to remedy the curse of sin that he could have prevented before he created Adam and Eve, or he could have ended sin and rebellion against him with Adam and Eve rather than callously inflict humanity with a sinful nature.

If God exists, and he has infinite power, then he had the ultimate power to stop the Holocaust and save the lives of six million Jews and five million non-Jews. Furthermore, if God has infinite knowledge, and he is ever-present, then he had foreknowledge that the Holocaust would happen, and yet he did absolutely nothing to stop it. That's not a loving and merciful god. God had foreknowledge of every tragedy and atrocities throughout human history, and yet, he allowed all these horrific tragedies to happen, and he didn't stop any of it. Personally, I think he's cruel and sadistic. No doubt his followers will attempt to defend him, but there's no excuse.
Are you aware that the complimentary opposite concepts of good and evil, light and darkness depend on each other for being real. If there were no darkness, there could be no light, if there were no good, there could not be evil, and vice versa. If there were no life, there could be no death. Change is an intrinsic principle of cosmic existence, try to imagine a universe without change. It would a monolith devoid of life for life implies movement, Try to imaging a universe without darkness, who could ever behold it, nothing could exist to see it as there needs to be contrast in order to distinguish shape. Try to imagine a universe without evil, good could not exist as there is nothing different to judge as being more moral. Try to understand that without complimentary opposite sides to every aspect of universal existence, there could be no universal existence.

God is all there is, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, God is not separate from His creation. All that happens is happening to God, the universe is the expression of God, But while God is one, He expresses as duality, light and dark, good and evil, etc.. Isaiah 45:6-7
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Not necessarily. If it's all powerful and evil, it doesn't require any skill for it to make you suffer. You could not escape because it's simply too powerful to be so. It might be lazy and stupid and self-centered, even such a being with an infinite amount of power would be impossible to escape, you are just too tiny.
It is impossible to escape God, so what is the logical solution to that, to keep acting as if we can escape?
 
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