101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
if made up then prove me in ERROR, do what the bible say do, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
I'll be looking for your reproof.
PICJAG, 101G.
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The Plurality of God, The First and the Last
if made up then prove me in ERROR, do what the bible say do, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
I'll be looking for your reproof.
PICJAG, 101G.
101G
Well-Known Member
To all, lets get to the basic of this one Person who is First and Last.
a question to all..... "WHO MADE ALL THINGS", meaning the CREATOR/Father of this world that we live in, and the heavens we wonder about.. was it the one whom many call by the title, Father? or was it the one whom many say by title, the Son? let the bible answer first and Last and then you.
First...... the Old Teatament. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
Last..... the New Testament. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." here the Word in John 1:1 is the Son? as many states.
so, who made all things? was it the same one person, or was the heavens and earth was made by two differen persons. read the verses above carefully before you answer.
PICJAG, 101G.
a question to all..... "WHO MADE ALL THINGS", meaning the CREATOR/Father of this world that we live in, and the heavens we wonder about.. was it the one whom many call by the title, Father? or was it the one whom many say by title, the Son? let the bible answer first and Last and then you.
First...... the Old Teatament. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
Last..... the New Testament. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." here the Word in John 1:1 is the Son? as many states.
so, who made all things? was it the same one person, or was the heavens and earth was made by two differen persons. read the verses above carefully before you answer.
PICJAG, 101G.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Echad means one. Not plural. It's singular.
It is fine and dandy to quote the false prophet Paul, the man of lawlessness, who says the law is nailed to the cross, but the "false prophet" Paul is dead, irrespective of what he had taught. Per Romans 7:18, Paul says, "I know that nothing good dwell in me" Romans 7:19, For the good that I wish, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not wish." Paul preaches the leaven, the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. One is to eat the bread of life without the leaven, for the road of the false prophets lead to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). "Let no one deceive you" If one sins, they are children of the devil (1 John 3:8).
The "new covenant" per Jeremiah 31:31 is with the "house of Israel" and the "house of Judah", and the new heart and new spirit will be given to the "house of Israel" per Ezekiel 36:26, after the "stick" of Israel is combined with the "stick" of Judah (Ezekiel 37:19), and them being brought to the land given to Jacob, under the rulership of My servant David (Ezekiel 37:21-28), after which they will "keep My statutes". As for Micah 6:8, you need to read the whole chapter. For those who sin, "I will make you sick, striking you down". (Micah 6:13) As for the 97 gods, I was referring to the span of 97 gods between the first 3 trinity gods of "Christiandom", and the 101 st god, known as 101G. The rock, the "tested stone" is "righteousness", doing what is right under the law, and "justice", which is the judgment which comes from breaking the law (Isaiah 28:16-18). As for the false gospel of grace, the "covenant with death, shall be cancelled". (Isaiah 28:19). Don't worry, according to Ezekiel 33:19, you can turn from wickedness to righteousness, and do what is right.
New American Standard Bible Ezekiel 33:19
But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and practices justice and righteousness, he will live by them.
I can agree that God knows best. Best I find according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
That is why I used the Bible as to its meaning because that expression 'first and last ' comes from the Bible in post # 55.
Just so one does 'Not drive' by such faith ( blind faith ).
101G
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first thanks for the same reply again, but do you know the difference between "ECHAD" and "YACHID", we suggest you look up both definitions.
PICJAG, 101G.
101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, the apostl Paul is not a false prophet, just because you don't agree with the truth,. and the rest of your post... what it have to do with the topic?
PICJAG, 101G.
101G
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no, the new covenant is for Jews and Gentiles from the OT prespective. for who is a Jew? one inward or outward. and the HOUSE of ISRAEL is all, people including those who was scattered. for a "HOUSE" is not a tribe. a House includes tribs. supportive scripture, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
as for As for Micah 6:8, you made another ERROR and a BIG one, listen to yourself, " For those who sin", and what you also said, "doing what is right under the law, and "justice", which is the judgment which comes from breaking the law". well let the apostle the one whom you calls a false prophet, lrt him educate you in the Law concering "SIN". listen carefully. 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"
did you get the memo? one more time, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man" .... hello, KNOWING THIS, mneaning you don't have to go and look for this truth, for the Law for the righteous is NOT, NOT, NOT, made for a righteous man, and our righteousness is in Christ Jesus. HELLO. case closed on that, so we suggest you re-read Micah 6:8, a few more time for clarity and edification.
but thanks for the reply.
PICJAG, 101G.
101G
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there is no such thing as blinf FAITH, maybe of the user, but Faith sees very well, even in the "DARK"... (smile).
PICJAG, 101G.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I am no Hebrew expert mate. And no one has to be for this simple thing. Yachid means to be singular. Echad means one.
Both means one. Not plural.
Sorry but you just tried a red herring. This is singular. Not plural. And I can say the same thing many times 101G.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for the reply, second, no one have to be a Hebrew expert, use common sense. this is why we have dictionaries to help us to understand what is conveyed in language. let me help you out. a "Yachid" is a singularity without additions of any kind. and a Echad is a singularity with additions "ONLY" within it-self. in knowing that, a "Yachid" is like, and I say like a Group with only ONE present in it. hence as in Ordinal number. but a "Echad" on the other Hand is Group with many within that group. example. if I had a Group of Judges, and Only one was present then it would be a "Yachid" meaning it is a singularity without additions of any kind, (within or without), only ONE exclusive, (no addition). but if the same Group had just the same one Judge, who became another of himself in every respect, then it will be no more a "Yachid" of one, but a "ECHAD" of one. because of the addition of the SAME one JUDGE..... see it now? this then would indicate an ORDINAL Designation, of judges... plural, but exclusively of each within the group. understand now. with that said noe need to understand the difference between Cardinal Numbers Designation vs Ordinal Numbers Designation.
so in an "ECHAD" the judges are not separate and distinct from ome another, but equal as the same because they are the equal share ofeach other, meaning it's the same one JUDGE shared equally.
so we suggest you look up, and find out the different. now I gave only a crude EXAMPLE, which I hoped it helped.
PICJAG, 101G.
The "house of Israel" would be the 10 lost northern tribes, clumped with Ephraim, who was given the name of Israel from his father Joseph, who also had the name of Israel, versus the "house of Judah" which would include Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:6), would be those "scattered among the nations", who initially had fishers of men looking for them, but at the end of the age, would have "hunters of men" track them down (Jeremiah 16:16). The house of Israel, the 10 lost northern tribes, will be gathered out of the nations/Gentiles (Ezekiel 36:24) to be brought "into your own land", the "land that I gave to Jacob" (Ez 37:25). It is the survivors of the "nations"/Gentiles who will come from the "ends of the earth" after the "day of distress" (great tribulation), who will confess, "our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood". You can hope that you will not die, as foretold by the false prophet Paul, but Jeremiah 31:30 says otherwise. Yeshua did not come for the "righteous", for they already keep the Law, and do not sin. He came to preach the kingdom of heaven, whereas you have to confess your sins, repent, such as turn from sinning, get the baptism of repentance, and then the baptism of the spirit, and then produce fruit in line with that repentance. Paul is just spouting the message of the serpent, that "you surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). Jeremiah 31:30 says that you surely will die. Choose your poison. You can follow the message of Yeshua, or follow the message of the devil/serpent, and his false prophet Paul.
101G
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To All,
One other thing. when comparing translation. what is said in one place, must corrspond in another place in the bible, if not it's a LIE.
case in point, WHO will Make the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH? is it the One who many calls the Father, or the one whom many calls the Son.
let the bible answer and see if one's doctrine add up to the TRUTH.
if anyone creates a thing, or a new thing then he or she, yes, she is called the Father of it. (side note, see how titles work), so lets see who is the Father of the NEW CREATION.
OT First... Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."
Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."
So CLEARLY, it is the "LORD", all caps who will make the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH. good so far, now,
NT Last... Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."
so why did the one who sits on the throne say he will make all things new? because he created all things that now exist, (the Old Creation). Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" the term "WERE" here in the scripture is a past tense designation meaning he is the creator of thew OLD and now present World. meaning he is the FATHER, or the CREATOR of it.
now the conclusion, either the One in Revelation who sits on the throne is the same one person as the "LORD" in Isaiah, or you have two separate and distinct CREATORS , of the NEW HEAVENS and EARTHS. which are anti-bible, and anti-God, and anti-Christ. for only "ONE" person will make or create the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH, this is the TRUTH.
this shows the true Plurality of God in the "ECHAD".
PICJAG, 101G.
One other thing. when comparing translation. what is said in one place, must corrspond in another place in the bible, if not it's a LIE.
case in point, WHO will Make the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH? is it the One who many calls the Father, or the one whom many calls the Son.
let the bible answer and see if one's doctrine add up to the TRUTH.
if anyone creates a thing, or a new thing then he or she, yes, she is called the Father of it. (side note, see how titles work), so lets see who is the Father of the NEW CREATION.
OT First... Isaiah 65:17 "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."
Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."
So CLEARLY, it is the "LORD", all caps who will make the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH. good so far, now,
NT Last... Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."
so why did the one who sits on the throne say he will make all things new? because he created all things that now exist, (the Old Creation). Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" the term "WERE" here in the scripture is a past tense designation meaning he is the creator of thew OLD and now present World. meaning he is the FATHER, or the CREATOR of it.
now the conclusion, either the One in Revelation who sits on the throne is the same one person as the "LORD" in Isaiah, or you have two separate and distinct CREATORS , of the NEW HEAVENS and EARTHS. which are anti-bible, and anti-God, and anti-Christ. for only "ONE" person will make or create the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH, this is the TRUTH.
this shows the true Plurality of God in the "ECHAD".
PICJAG, 101G.
101G
Well-Known Member
first thanks for the reply, second, you ERROR. for a HOUSE include Tribes..... understand? if not, the Lord Jesus is over his OWN "HOUSE", (see Hebrews 3:6), which includes Jews and Gentiles, for any who are in him, (the Lord Jesus), and is born again, is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female, nor bond nor free, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus... hello. so you're reproved.
PICJAG, 101G.
wellwisher
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There is another topic, I saw connected today, connected to left and right hand paths of religion. This topic indirectly explains the topic. The way the brain is wired, our left hand is crossed wired to the right side of the brain and the right hand is wired to the left side of the brain; cross wiring. The right brain is more integrated or 3-D and it connected to symbolism, intuitions and emotions. The left brain is more differential and is connected to 2-D logic and distinctions; differential. The question of unity and diversity is just a matter of which side of your brain is dominant in terms of data processing. Scientists tend to be more left brain and differential; specialists. They have theories for every little detail within each specialty, but integrating theories that span a wide range of specialities is far less common. There is not enough right brain input.
One can have both a singularity God and a plurality of Gods, without conflict, if you use both sides of the brain at the same time. If you use one or the other there will be conflict. For example, God as the Christian Trinity has one integrated concept; right brain, also expressed with three differential attributes; left brain. You need to use both sides; consciously, to merge the two.
One way to understand how this works is to consider a 3-D ball such as a tennis ball. This 3-D ball can approximated by a large number of 2-D circles, all with a common center, but all at different angles. A right brain 3-D integrating concept can be approximated by a large number of 2-D rational circles, with a common center but with all at different angles. Religion is like this in the sense all sense God; 3-D, but each circle has a different angle; way to explain. It is not one way that expresses the full 3-D but rather it is the sum of all the circles, expressing a true 3-D concept of God.
Many religions have built upon religions from earlier times; Modern Christianity is part Old Testament and part Pagan to name a few. Studying these earlier religions; left brain, adds many different 2-D circles to the left brain. The sum of these circles with the common center called God; at different angles, creates a good 3-D approximation within the right brain. From this 3-D center, the unconscious mind may try to fill in 3-D ball approximation even better, via the left brain. This may add another circle; new religion. This new angle may even cross many other of the original circles; right angle to these original 2-D planes. The sum of this new insight creates an even better 3-D approximation, etc. But to use that one needs to think in terms of emotion, intuition and symbolism such as in dreams. This is then fed into the left brain via the corpus callosum, which wires the two sides of the brain, so a new 2-D plane can appear with a new angle or take on God's 3-D nature.
101G
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first thanks for the reply, second, I disagree with that assessment. and third, Matthew 6:3 "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:" Matthew 6:4 "That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly."
in this, a "WILL" comes into play in either KNOWING/Accepting a thing or Outcome, or rejecting it. just as in the "Double-slit experiment" with LIGHT, is it a wave, or a particle. so the brain game is not acceptable in this subject matter, it is the WILL that determines the outcome. just as it is not the Eye, nor the brain that sees. for the eys only can collect the Light, and the brain can only interpet the Light as electrical impulses, but neither the eye nor the Brain can determin the actual matter itself.
but your point is interesting.
PICJAG, 101G.