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Mandatory COVID Vaccinations

Hermit Philosopher

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Personally, I am fully vaccinated but I wonder: does making vaccinations (against COVID, for example) mandatory not go against Articles 8 and 9 of the Human Rights Act? If it does, how will States like Austria, Germany and France get away with it…?


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Wandering Monk

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Personally, I am fully vaccinated but I wonder: does making vaccinations (against COVID, for example) mandatory not go against Articles 8 and 9 of the Human Rights Act? If it does, how will States like Austria, Germany and France get away with it…?


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Hermit

Article 8 exceptions:

Article 8: Respect for your private and family life | Equality and Human Rights Commission

There are situations when public authorities can interfere with your right to respect for private and family life, home and correspondence. This is only allowed where the authority can show that its action is lawful, necessary and proportionate in order to:
protect national security
protect public safety
protect the economy
protect health or morals
prevent disorder or crime, or
protect the rights and freedoms of other people.
Action is ‘proportionate’ when it is appropriate and no more than necessary to address the problem concerned.

Article 9 exceptions:

Article 9: Freedom of thought, belief and religion | Equality and Human Rights Commission

Public authorities cannot interfere with your right to hold or change your beliefs, but there are some situations in which public authorities can interfere with your right to manifest or show your thoughts, belief and religion. This is only allowed where the authority can show that its action is lawful, necessary and proportionate in order to protect:
public safety
public order
health or morals, and
the rights and freedoms of other people.
Action is ‘proportionate’ when it is appropriate and no more than necessary to address the problem concerned.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Obviously, I haven’t a clue where you’re based but I don’t think we’ve ever had mandatory vaccinations in the U.K.


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Hermit
Australia.
I don’t know if we have an official mandate. But schools usually have vaccine requirements for entry. Whether or not you consider that a mandate is up to you.

Many workplaces (usually retail, medical fields and some businesses) here already have policies regarding COVID vaccines. Again whether or not you consider that a mandate is up to you. It’s not officially mandated technically. But the businesses are enforcing their own policies regarding vaccines, thereby mandating their employees to get the vaccine or obtain a medical certificate which makes them exempt.

The closest we have regarding vaccine mandates are requirements for restaurants and cafes to check if their customers are vaccinated. Failing to comply does result in fines for said businesses. But technically that’s not so much a vaccine mandate since people do still have a choice. They just can’t enter that premises without proof of vaccination. So it’s seen more as a health and safety regulation.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Personally, I am fully vaccinated but I wonder: does making vaccinations (against COVID, for example) mandatory not go against Articles 8 and 9 of the Human Rights Act? If it does, how will States like Austria, Germany and France get away with it…?


Humbly
Hermit
The US "gets away" with literal torture, but vaccination is where we draw the line?!
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
Australia.
I don’t know if we have an official mandate. But schools usually have vaccine requirements for entry. Whether or not you consider that a mandate is up to you.

Many workplaces (usually retail, medical fields and some businesses) here already have policies regarding COVID vaccines. Again whether or not you consider that a mandate is up to you. It’s not officially mandated technically. But the businesses are enforcing their own policies regarding vaccines, thereby mandating their employees to get the vaccine or obtain a medical certificate which makes them exempt.

The closest we have regarding vaccine mandates are requirements for restaurants and cafes to check if their customers are vaccinated. Failing to comply does result in fines for said businesses. But technically that’s not so much a vaccine mandate since people do still have a choice. They just can’t enter that premises without proof of vaccination. So it’s seen more as a health and safety regulation.


By mandatory, I was mainly referring to making it illegal not to be vaccinated against something; as in one be breaking the law by not getting vaccinated.

As a law abiding citizen, that is concerning in my view.


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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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By mandatory, I was mainly referring to making it illegal not to be vaccinated against something; as in one be breaking the law by not getting vaccinated.

As a law abiding citizen, that is concerning in my view.


Humbly
Hermit
Oh. I don’t think any country technically has that on the books. Even if they have vaccine mandates. Since not everyone can be vaccinated (immune issues, allergies etc.)
Could be wrong though since I’m not familiar with laws outside my own country
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Oh. I don’t think any country technically has that on the books. Even if they have vaccine mandates. Since not everyone can be vaccinated (immune issues, allergies etc.)
Could be wrong though since I’m not familiar with laws outside my own country
In Canada, Quebec recently announced that they would be implementing a monthly "tax" on anyone without an exemption who isn't fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

Feds unlikely to challenge Quebec's proposed tax on unvaccinated, Charest says
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Personally, I am fully vaccinated but I wonder: does making vaccinations (against COVID, for example) mandatory not go against Articles 8 and 9 of the Human Rights Act? If it does, how will States like Austria, Germany and France get away with it…?


Humbly
Hermit

Exceptions include protection of public safety and health.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
I will hazard a guess suggest that health and life insurance vendors in Canada charge smokers more money for a policy than non-smokers. What's the difference except that the government is doing it?


In my view, the difference is that sugar-/tobacco-/alcohol-taxes and the likes, are all about what someone voluntarily chooses to put into their body, while a non-vax “tax” or “fine” would be about what someone - for whatever reason (like I said, I’m vaccinated) - does not want in their body.

It also is not comparable to, say, our driver’s license/car insurance/seatbelt laws, because the problem with a vaccine law surely would not be that it imposes on one’s “freedom of choice”, but rather on the rights to one’s body.


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Wandering Monk

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In my view, the difference is that sugar-/tobacco-/alcohol-taxes and the likes, are all about what someone voluntarily chooses to put into their body, while a non-vax “tax” or “fine” would be about what someone - for whatever reason (like I said, I’m vaccinated) - does not want in their body.

It also is not comparable to, say, our driver’s license/car insurance/seatbelt laws, because the problem with a vaccine law surely would not be that it imposes on one’s “freedom of choice”, but rather on the rights to one’s body.


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Hermit

Are there mandatory vaccinations to enter school?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
By mandatory, I was mainly referring to making it illegal not to be vaccinated against something; as in one be breaking the law by not getting vaccinated.

As a law abiding citizen, that is concerning in my view.


Humbly
Hermit

Fully vaccinated is considered as having the two shots(or the one J&J)

If you still need a booster after being fully vaccinated,
and still need to wear a mask after being fully vaccinated,
and still need negative tests after being fully vaccinated,
and can still be infected after being fully vaccinated,
and can still be hospitalized after being fully vaccinated,
and can still die after being fully vaccinated,,,,
I don't really call that fully vaccinated.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Fully vaccinated is considered as having the two shots(or the one J&J)

If you still need a booster after being fully vaccinated,
and still need to wear a mask after being fully vaccinated,
and still need negative tests after being fully vaccinated,
and can still be infected after being fully vaccinated,
and can still be hospitalized after being fully vaccinated,
and can still die after being fully vaccinated,,,,
I don't really call that fully vaccinated.

Depends, fully vaccinated in France (and most of Europe) is two shots (or the one J&J) plus the booster.

And no vaccine is 100% effective therefore your list of limitations is not valid.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Depends, fully vaccinated in France (and most of Europe) is two shots (or the one J&J) plus the booster.

And no vaccine is 100% effective therefore your list of limitations is not valid.

Which booster?
If John has two boosters and Joe only has one booster.....who is fully vaccinated?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I will hazard a guess suggest that health and life insurance vendors in Canada charge smokers more money for a policy than non-smokers. What's the difference except that the government is doing it?
The premiums we pay here for public health insurance are based on income and that's it. We don't really have a precedent of the government charging people more for health insurance because they engage in risky behaviours.

Supplementary health insurance - the kind you'd buy from a private company - is a different story, but that coverage is more for things like getting a private hospital room instead of a bed in a ward; people can (and often do) go without it.

And even a private insurer is only going to charge you more based on the personal risk you pose to yourself (and hence how much you yourself are likely to cost your insurer). Quebec's proposed tax is as much about reducing the societal risk that unvaccinated people cause as it is about recouping the likely extra cost for the unvaccinated person's own health care.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Fully vaccinated is considered as having the two shots(or the one J&J)

If you still need a booster after being fully vaccinated,
and still need to wear a mask after being fully vaccinated,
and still need negative tests after being fully vaccinated,
and can still be infected after being fully vaccinated,
and can still be hospitalized after being fully vaccinated,
and can still die after being fully vaccinated,,,,
I don't really call that fully vaccinated.
"If you have to eat again the next day, I don't really call that a full meal."
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Which booster?
If John has two boosters and Joe only has one booster.....who is fully vaccinated?


At the moment one booster. In time it may need to be two or three ot however many is required before this virus is done.
 

Martin

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Obviously, I haven’t a clue where you’re based but I don’t think we’ve ever had mandatory vaccinations in the U.K.


Humbly
Hermit

In the UK, vaccination is now mandatory for care-home staff, and will soon become mandatory for NHS staff.
 
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