Cop Culture....Thugs, Bullies, Overlords

9-10ths_Penguin · Jan 17, 2022

Recently, this tweet came across my feed. It's from a local Police Association chair talking about manslaughter charges being brought against a cop in another jurisdiction:

A top notch officer. This is the ugly side of policing. He will now be judged by others who have no idea about how difficult this job is or what "fearing for your life or the life of others" truly means.........

https://twitter.com/RickDerus/status/1482338881735475200

He seems to be expressing the idea that the public isn't even equipped for police officers to be accountable to them, which I find... not surprising, but pretty galling.

FYI: the shooting in question: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/wind...24-year-old-man-in-chatham-kent-ont-1.6315752

Brickjectivity · Jan 17, 2022

Revoltingest said:
Our best recourse isn't our politicians. Joe Biden led the
charge to expand police powers, & put many more people
in prison. We must use the civil courts to win damages
against the government that employs these criminals.

So what happens if we cannot afford the attorneys necessary to bring civil cases? I am too scared to do what that attorney is doing. She knows the law and knows lawyers, plus she has a prosecutor for a father. She's in and is protected. She knows she's being recorded, that the officers are going to be in trouble and that she's going to win any lawsuit. So what happens is that we do not have any recourse except to sit in jail until we are released, but this has not happened to me. When I am pulled over I answer the questions.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2022

From an Aussie TV show (Mr In Between),
Ray shows us how to deal with cops who want you
to say something they can use against him.
Notice something important....he shuts his door as
soon as he exits his home. This prevents the false
claim that they're allowed in without a warrant.
Better yet, one should stay inside one's home with
the door shut. Communication might be harder
(without a screen door), but it prevents them from
entering without permission.

Some good advice....

See what I mean about improper use of doors.
When you open them, cops will take advantage.

Orbit · Jan 17, 2022

One thing that I have noticed as a professor is that some students come to the Criminal Justice major with a chip on their shoulders, and with authoritarian personalities. When I come across them I know they are going to become "bad cops" no matter how many classes we give them in Constitutional Law or Professional Ethics. Part of the problem to me is summed up by the song lyrics "God is a Bullet" by Concrete Blonde "They all start picking on me/i'm a high school grad/I'm over 5 foot 3/ I get a badge and a gun and I join the PD/ They'll see..."

Suave · Jan 17, 2022

Revoltingest said:
It's very common for people to be arrested when doing
nothing illegal. It's often because the cop gives an illegal
order, & the civilian won't bow down, & do as ordered.

You have the right to be silent. It's in the Constitution.
But few cops are familiar with that piece of paper. It's
not part of their training. When called on it, they'll even
say they don't care. Why should they...they have immunity.

Even if they are aware of the right to record them, to be
on public property, & to remain silent, they'll often arrest
people anyway. They know that no charges will be filed,
but it's a way to degrade, dehumanize, & inconvenience
people they dislike.

Our best recourse isn't our politicians. Joe Biden led the
charge to expand police powers, & put many more people
in prison. We must use the civil courts to win damages
against the government that employs these criminals.

An example of an attorney exercising her right to be
silent. Officer Tyrantasaurus will have no truck with that.

Perhaps we should consider replacing abusive minded police officers with robotic police officers and drones programmed to politely interact with the general public until confronted with an evasive criminal or violent criminal threat

Real life Robocop, military soldier.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2022

Suave said:
Perhaps we should consider replacing abusive minded police officers with robotic police officers and drones programmed to politely interact with the general public until confronted with an evasive criminal or violent criminal threat

Real life Robocop, military soldier.

I'd rather deal with robots.
On 2nd thought...
Let's ensure that the robots aren't programmed
by the same thugs who train cops currently.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2022

If you're deaf, you won't hear sirens or orders barked at you.
Be prepared. Perhaps have a sign or some way to quickly
communicate your situation to cops.
Some good advice for deaf folk to avoid being gunned down....

What can happen when you don't plan ahead for interaction
with cops....

Suave · Jan 17, 2022

Revoltingest said:
If you're deaf, you won't hear sirens or orders barked at you.
Some good advice for deaf folk to avoid being gunned down.

May I please kindly suggest "I'm a deaf and mute driver" sign be visibly placed on the cars of these drivers in order to promote their and the public's safety.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2022

Suave said:
May I please kindly suggest "I'm a deaf and mute driver" sign be visibly placed on the cars of these drivers in order to promote their and the public's safety.

If I were deaf, I'd do that.
But I see possible resistance to the need to do
something so out of the ordinary, & so openly
calling attention to the condition. People tend to
feel they shouldn't have to use extraordinary means
just to have their civil rights honored.
There's a burden on government to train cops to not
brutalize people who are different in the many ways
possible.

I'm tempted to put a sign in Mr Van.
I AM AN OLD JERK WITH O.D.D. & POOR SOCIAL SKILLS

Suave · Jan 17, 2022

Revoltingest said:
If I were deaf, I'd do that.
But I see possible resistance to the need to do
something so out of the ordinary, & so openly
calling attention to the condition. People tend to
feel they shouldn't have to use extraordinary means
just to have their civil rights honored.
There's a burden on government to train cops to not
brutalize people who are different in the many ways
possible.

I'm tempted to put a sign in Mr Van.
I AM AN OLD JERK WITH O.D.D. & POOR SOCIAL SKILLS

I've thought about putting an "I brake for doughnuts" bumper sticker on my car, this would display a likeable common interest between many police officers and me.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2022

Suave said:
I've thought about putting an "I brake for doughnuts" bumper sticker on my car, this would display a likeable common interest between many police officers and me.

Be careful with crumbs falling off glazed donuts.
Although....there is profit to be had if you're willing
to be arrested.
Florida man arrested after police mistook Krispy Kreme glaze for meth, receives $37,500 settlement

What kind of cop cannot recognize donut glaze?
This shows why you should never submit to a
warrantless search of your car. Cops are mean,
dumb, incompetent, reckless, & corrupt.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2022

Cops look down upon people who are different.
At least this time, they were only joking about
the kid with Down's Syndrome.

Other interactions get more physical.
This video is still watchable by clicking on it here.

9-10ths_Penguin · Jan 17, 2022

Robert Peel, the founder of modern policing

oldbadger said:
Our UK cops do stops differently, it seems true to say.
They always explain why they've stopped a vehicle and then take things from there. They always explain if they want to search a vehicle or passengers.

Only violent or high-risk offenders get handcuffed in the UK.

But that's UK cops. Any who do things differently will be out of line.

My impression is that UK cops tend to be more aware of the original foundations of modern policing that US cops.

Peelian principles - Wikipedia

"The police are the public and the public are the police." - Sir Robert Peel.

oldbadger · Jan 18, 2022

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Robert Peel, the founder of modern policing

My impression is that UK cops tend to be more aware of the original foundations of modern policing that US cops.

Peelian principles - Wikipedia

"The police are the public and the public are the police." - Sir Robert Peel.

Oh no........ in the 1960s the London (Metropolitan) Police Force was riddled with corruption. A wealthy silver dealer that I used to baby sit for (I was hard up

) got nicked for drink driving, so he told the two traffic cops 'Wake up! Your CID mates get all the backhanders! How much is this going to cost to go away?' He paid them £100 each for the problem to disappear.... about four weeks wages today.

But our Police do seem to have moved upwards and onwards from those days.

If only @Revoltingest could tell us why those cops stopped that idiot and what the outcome of it was.
I'm sure that US cops have to tell drivers why they have stopped them (that cop didn't) but all the driver had to say was 'No' to his question and he would have needed to tell her. She obviously wanted her evening to be wrecked.

oldbadger · Jan 18, 2022

Revoltingest said:
It's very common for people to be arrested when doing
nothing illegal. It's often because the cop gives an illegal
order, & the civilian won't bow down, & do as ordered.

You have the right to be silent. It's in the Constitution.
But few cops are familiar with that piece of paper. It's
not part of their training. When called on it, they'll even
say they don't care. Why should they...they have immunity.

Even if they are aware of the right to record them, to be
on public property, & to remain silent, they'll often arrest
people anyway. They know that no charges will be filed,
but it's a way to degrade, dehumanize, & inconvenience
people they dislike.

Our best recourse isn't our politicians. Joe Biden led the
charge to expand police powers, & put many more people
in prison. We must use the civil courts to win damages
against the government that employs these criminals.

An example of an attorney exercising her right to be
silent. Officer Tyrantasaurus will have no truck with that.

Meh........... she did very well out of it.

The system works, after all. Did she get a bad deal from the law? No.
She did very well..............

Eventually the cop asked her to get out of her car. Only then did she say, “I’m a lawyer, I don’t have to answer your questions.” And then nothing again as he handcuffed her and took her to jail.

She spent a little time in a holding cell before a supervising officer let her go.

This week, she settled with New Jersey for $30,000.

Revoltingest · Jan 18, 2022

oldbadger said:
If only @Revoltingest could tell us why those cops stopped that idiot and what the outcome of it was.
I'm sure that US cops have to tell drivers why they have stopped them (that cop didn't) but all the driver had to say was 'No' to his question and he would have needed to tell her. She obviously wanted her evening to be wrecked.

Are you justifying illegal behavior by cops in retaliation
for civilians being dumb, rude, or provocative?
And if so, what if the cops misread a disability, & assault
in retaliation for something they only imagined?
No.
Civil rights exist even for jerks, fools, & malcontents.
Anyone who feels the need to arrest, beat, or berate
people who annoy should never never never be a cop.

Revoltingest · Jan 18, 2022

oldbadger said:
Meh........... she did very well out of it.

The system works, after all. Did she get a bad deal from the law? No.
She did very well..............

Eventually the cop asked her to get out of her car. Only then did she say, “I’m a lawyer, I don’t have to answer your questions.” And then nothing again as he handcuffed her and took her to jail.

She spent a little time in a holding cell before a supervising officer let her go.

This week, she settled with New Jersey for $30,000.

In this case, the taxpayers lost because they had to
compensate someone for illegal behavior by a cop.
How much money would you give Daniel Shaver to
compensate him?

oldbadger · Jan 18, 2022

Revoltingest said:
In this case, the taxpayers lost because they had to
compensate someone for illegal behavior by a cop.

Until the taxpayers are prepared to support new initiatives for better selection, training, field training, training reviews, counselling, supervision and management they'll have to keep paying, in all kinds of ways.

How much money would you give Daniel Shaver to
compensate him?

He was unarmed, on his knees and pleading when he was shot........ something like that?
He or His should get more than a celebrity gets for slander, so in the USA that would be many fortunes.

Revoltingest · Jan 18, 2022

oldbadger said:
Until the taxpayers are prepared to support new initiatives for better selection, training, field training, training reviews, counselling, supervision and management they'll have to keep paying, in all kinds of ways.

Exactly.

He was unarmed, on his knees and pleading when he was shot........ something like that?
He or His should get more than a celebrity gets for slander, so in the USA that would be many fortunes.

I don't think dead people can be adequately compensated.

Revoltingest · Jan 18, 2022

This is another case showing....
- The importance of body cams.
- The importance of body cam recordings not being kept
secret by police departments, try though they did.
- The utter stupidity of cops who arrest a black guy when
the description is of a white guy several blocks away.
- The potential cost to the city of a $3,000,000 suit
for wrongful arrest.
- The corruption of cops who were told by the complainant
they had the wrong guy, but continued the arrest anyway.

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