It is the Lord God who will do the judging (Ezekiel 34:20-23), and "My servant David" who will do the ruling. Per Revelation 19:15, that will include ruling the survivors of the nations with a "rod of iron"., which in the context of Zechariah 14:16-19, would mean withholding rain, and turning their land into iron. Your "Acts" by an unknown author, comes from the eldest daughter of the "Christians", the Roman church. A better reference would at least be from a known witness to what Yeshua might have said, such as Matthew 10, whereas Yeshua told his disciples to go to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", and do not "go the way of the Gentiles", and the power and spirit of the kingdom would be shown in them rising the dead and healing the sick. This was a directed at the shepherds, not the sheep. It is the fat shepherds who will be held accountable (Ezekiel 34:16). The "sheep", "My flock", will be delivered, and "they will no longer be prey" (Ezekiel 34:22). The "good fruit" befitting their repentance, will be different for the sheep than the shepherds. (Matthew 3:10). They have not been fed, nor healed, and know little of the real "kingdom". They are still able to produce good fruit, although except for little children, not in abundance. And apparently, some of the liars, murderers, etc. will exist outside of the gates (Revelation 22:14-15). I image it would be a place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:42). "My servant David" will be king over the united stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim, on the land given to Jacob (Ezekiel 37:22-28). Apparently, the survivors of the nations will worship the king in Jerusalem once a year during the feast of Booths (Zechariah 14:16).
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It is the Lord God who will do the judging (Ezekiel 34:20-23), and "My servant David" who will do the ruling. Per Revelation 19:15, that will include ruling the survivors of the nations with a "rod of iron"., which in the context of Zechariah 14:16-19, would mean withholding rain, and turning their land into iron. Your "Acts" by an unknown author, comes from the eldest daughter of the "Christians", the Roman church. A better reference would at least be from a known witness to what Yeshua might have said, such as Matthew 10, whereas Yeshua told his disciples to go to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", and do not "go the way of the Gentiles", and the power and spirit of the kingdom would be shown in them rising the dead and healing the sick. This was a directed at the shepherds, not the sheep. It is the fat shepherds who will be held accountable (Ezekiel 34:16). The "sheep", "My flock", will be delivered, and "they will no longer be prey" (Ezekiel 34:22). The "good fruit" befitting their repentance, will be different for the sheep than the shepherds. (Matthew 3:10). They have not been fed, nor healed, and know little of the real "kingdom". They are still able to produce good fruit, although except for little children, not in abundance. And apparently, some of the liars, murderers, etc. will exist outside of the gates (Revelation 22:14-15). I image it would be a place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:42). "My servant David" will be king over the united stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim, on the land given to Jacob (Ezekiel 37:22-28). Apparently, the survivors of the nations will worship the king in Jerusalem once a year during the feast of Booths (Zechariah 14:16).
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Nope. I am not a sinner. I left those chains and shackles behind many years ago.
I have not done this either. I've not killed anyone, I've never drawn the blood of another.
Yet we still have the Hebrew Yahweh and Latin Jehovah. The Hebrews would not have had Jehovah because that is Latin, and because they had multiple terms/names for god.
Yeah....I'm not doing that either.
We were talking about the OT, not the NT. Of course the NT will have the name of the new character. Except English really messed up the translation and came up with Jesus instead of Joshua.
It's not the end times. Your predictions are no more accurate or reliable than the past 2000 years of failed assumptions it's the end times. It's always the end times according to Christians, except it never is.
If he was merciful and just and he would save everyone, even the rebellious. Instead he only loves those who would stroke his ego.
Why? I will not cower or apologize to someone who slaughters the world and lets the issues that lead to him slaughtering the world carry on. Now will I hide from god. Actually there's a bunch of reasons. Like slavery. The Bible permits and condones it, and because of those poisonous words Christians held on to that evil far longer than it should have, rightfully claiming it is their god given right to own slaves. Insisting women must be beneath men and are "unclean" while she's having her period is wrong, it's especially wrong after childbirth and more so wrong saying she's unclean longer for giving birth to a girl than a boy. The expectation of total submission is another problem. Tyrants expect it. Good leaders aren't even considering it.
101G
Well-Known Member
To Shadow Wolf
GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, you said you're not a sinner. ok, let's see what the bible says about that. scripture, 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." LISTEN REAL GOOD, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." we suggest you re-read that verse 8 again. but the life saver for the saved, 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." he didn't have to do that, but he is merciful, and faithful to his word. see, it's like your car... for example. when broken take it back the maker, instead of a shade tree mechanic.
and as for drawing the blood of another. you don't have to draw blood to kill someone.... spiritual death is just as real as physical death.
you said, "Yet we still have the Hebrew Yahweh and Latin Jehovah".
maybe YOU do, not me....
"We were talking about the OT, not the NT. Of course the NT will have the name of the new character. Except English really messed up the translation and came up with Jesus instead of Joshua".
You ERROR, God name was in the OT, but many did not understand it, it was in the term "Salvation".... (smile). understand when Moses asked God "WHAT" is your name, God gave Moses just what he asked for, and no more. Moses asked, "WHAT", is your name. What God is in Name is his TITLES, Almighty, LORD, Creator, Father, ect... ect.. but if Moses would have asked God, "WHO" are you in NAME, then God would have said "JESUS"/YESHUA.
understand it's the same one person in the OT as in the NT only Diversified, or Equally shared in the "Form" of the human creature that he made... "Man". and another thing about the OT and the NT. the OT is the NT, hidden. and the NT is the OT Revealed. (See Isaiah 46:10).
"It's not the end times. Your predictions are no more accurate or reliable than the past 2000 years of failed assumptions it's the end times. It's always the end times according to Christians, except it never is."
"my predictions?" what have 101G predicted? understand, from our prospective, but learn God. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." understand, no man KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR. so be ready... NOW.
"If he was merciful and just and he would save everyone, even the rebellious. Instead he only loves those who would stroke his ego."
is this what some man TOLD you? what did God really say? let's check the record. 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THAT AGAIN). 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1 Timothy 2:6 "Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
now this is God's desire, "THAT ALL MEN, (male and female), TO BE SAVED". this is why the TRUTH/Gospel is preached. it's your choice. and you said, "he would save everyone, even the rebellious. Instead he only loves those who would stroke his ego." if you, were, rebellious, that's why he allowed "REPENTANCE". and if one refuse to repent, scripture, read Romans 3:10-16 as a matter of fact read the whole chapter and the following one. and see if God is not RIGHTEOUS? and it has nothing to do with EGO.
"Why? I will not cower or apologize to someone who slaughters the world and lets the issues that lead to him slaughtering the world carry on. Now will I hide from god. Actually there's a bunch of reasons. Like slavery. The Bible permits and condones it, and because of those poisonous words Christians held on to that evil far longer than it should have, rightfully claiming it is their god given right to own slaves. Insisting women must be beneath men and are "unclean" while she's having her period is wrong, it's especially wrong after childbirth and more so wrong saying she's unclean longer for giving birth to a girl than a boy. The expectation of total submission is another problem. Tyrants expect it. Good leaders aren't even considering it."
one can enter into slavery in many ways, not just physical, be it economical, (a slave to their credit cards), social, (to friends and family), or as you said in a broader sense. social injustice. or educational slavery. also, it's a lot of reason, and ways why one gets sick and maybe die. is it GOD'S fault? and as for slaughter, are you God who gives life to the dead? can he not raise up any dead? and who are we to demand to live in this creation of .... HIS? did you create yourself, how about anyone else? God has the Right as CREATOR to do as he please. listen. Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." Romans 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:16 "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." Romans 9:17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:19 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?" Romans 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" (READ THAT AGAIN). Romans 9:21 "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:22 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:" Romans 9:23 "And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory," Romans 9:24 "Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
understand, many might say, see God hated Esau. no, not as a person, for he has no respect of person. but it is what Esau did. sold his birth right that God ... God had given him. now who gave it to him? God. so again, I say don't call God on the carpet per say. one need to examine their owns-self before accusing God of something.
I believe you might want to take another look at God from his prospective instead of men prospective. God is Holy, and FAIR.
if you don't mind, God showed me one verse that showed me his prospective from the OT that coincide with what he requires in the NT. it sums up both as what to he requires in Both OT and NT. Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" Please read that verse again. this is all what God "REQUIRE" of us in a nutshell. and this is what I live by, ... LOVE OUR GOD WITH ALL OUR HEART, AND OUR FELLOW MAN THE SAME. it's the Golden Rule of God. in that one can never go wrong.
PICJAG, 101G.
GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply, second, you said you're not a sinner. ok, let's see what the bible says about that. scripture, 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." LISTEN REAL GOOD, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." we suggest you re-read that verse 8 again. but the life saver for the saved, 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." he didn't have to do that, but he is merciful, and faithful to his word. see, it's like your car... for example. when broken take it back the maker, instead of a shade tree mechanic.
and as for drawing the blood of another. you don't have to draw blood to kill someone.... spiritual death is just as real as physical death.
you said, "Yet we still have the Hebrew Yahweh and Latin Jehovah".
maybe YOU do, not me....
"We were talking about the OT, not the NT. Of course the NT will have the name of the new character. Except English really messed up the translation and came up with Jesus instead of Joshua".
You ERROR, God name was in the OT, but many did not understand it, it was in the term "Salvation".... (smile). understand when Moses asked God "WHAT" is your name, God gave Moses just what he asked for, and no more. Moses asked, "WHAT", is your name. What God is in Name is his TITLES, Almighty, LORD, Creator, Father, ect... ect.. but if Moses would have asked God, "WHO" are you in NAME, then God would have said "JESUS"/YESHUA.
understand it's the same one person in the OT as in the NT only Diversified, or Equally shared in the "Form" of the human creature that he made... "Man". and another thing about the OT and the NT. the OT is the NT, hidden. and the NT is the OT Revealed. (See Isaiah 46:10).
"It's not the end times. Your predictions are no more accurate or reliable than the past 2000 years of failed assumptions it's the end times. It's always the end times according to Christians, except it never is."
"my predictions?" what have 101G predicted? understand, from our prospective, but learn God. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." understand, no man KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR. so be ready... NOW.
"If he was merciful and just and he would save everyone, even the rebellious. Instead he only loves those who would stroke his ego."
is this what some man TOLD you? what did God really say? let's check the record. 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THAT AGAIN). 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" 1 Timothy 2:6 "Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
now this is God's desire, "THAT ALL MEN, (male and female), TO BE SAVED". this is why the TRUTH/Gospel is preached. it's your choice. and you said, "he would save everyone, even the rebellious. Instead he only loves those who would stroke his ego." if you, were, rebellious, that's why he allowed "REPENTANCE". and if one refuse to repent, scripture, read Romans 3:10-16 as a matter of fact read the whole chapter and the following one. and see if God is not RIGHTEOUS? and it has nothing to do with EGO.
"Why? I will not cower or apologize to someone who slaughters the world and lets the issues that lead to him slaughtering the world carry on. Now will I hide from god. Actually there's a bunch of reasons. Like slavery. The Bible permits and condones it, and because of those poisonous words Christians held on to that evil far longer than it should have, rightfully claiming it is their god given right to own slaves. Insisting women must be beneath men and are "unclean" while she's having her period is wrong, it's especially wrong after childbirth and more so wrong saying she's unclean longer for giving birth to a girl than a boy. The expectation of total submission is another problem. Tyrants expect it. Good leaders aren't even considering it."
one can enter into slavery in many ways, not just physical, be it economical, (a slave to their credit cards), social, (to friends and family), or as you said in a broader sense. social injustice. or educational slavery. also, it's a lot of reason, and ways why one gets sick and maybe die. is it GOD'S fault? and as for slaughter, are you God who gives life to the dead? can he not raise up any dead? and who are we to demand to live in this creation of .... HIS? did you create yourself, how about anyone else? God has the Right as CREATOR to do as he please. listen. Romans 9:13 "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." Romans 9:15 "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Romans 9:16 "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." Romans 9:17 "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:19 "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?" Romans 9:20 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" (READ THAT AGAIN). Romans 9:21 "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:22 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:" Romans 9:23 "And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory," Romans 9:24 "Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
understand, many might say, see God hated Esau. no, not as a person, for he has no respect of person. but it is what Esau did. sold his birth right that God ... God had given him. now who gave it to him? God. so again, I say don't call God on the carpet per say. one need to examine their owns-self before accusing God of something.
I believe you might want to take another look at God from his prospective instead of men prospective. God is Holy, and FAIR.
if you don't mind, God showed me one verse that showed me his prospective from the OT that coincide with what he requires in the NT. it sums up both as what to he requires in Both OT and NT. Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" Please read that verse again. this is all what God "REQUIRE" of us in a nutshell. and this is what I live by, ... LOVE OUR GOD WITH ALL OUR HEART, AND OUR FELLOW MAN THE SAME. it's the Golden Rule of God. in that one can never go wrong.
PICJAG, 101G.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I assure you I am no sinner. The Bible saying so doesn't make it true.
According to Hosea 5:15-6:3, it will be "after two days" (2000 years) when Ephraim/Israel and Judah will confess "their guilt" and be healed. As for the Gentile/nation church, they, as the "adulteress" of Hosea 3, bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver (Hosea 3:2), will be kept for "many days", until the house of Israel returns to "seek the LORD their God and David their king". Their fortune is put forth in Zechariah 11:7, as the "flock doomed for slaughter". That day of slaughter, the "day of the LORD" per Joel 2:31-32 will find survivors among those on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem. Not so much among the nations/Gentiles (Jeremiah 30:11), whose survivors will be put up for auction in the slave market (Joel 3:8) or become servants of Jacob (Isaiah 14:1-2).
And what exactly is "sin"?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Christians have been saying that for the entirety of their existence. What makes you know make a prediction that no one before you has got right? A prediction, that is, regarding something that even Jesus himself doesn't know when, except for that it's going to be unexpected.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Something the God of Abraham tells his followers they do. But why I don't know. He's supposed to be a god. How can we mere humans possibly offend him? How is it for as complicated as our own existence, this being who claims to be perfect wants to add an extra layer to violating one of his rules?
How do people not see this on par with an adult lashing out and abusing a child for getting a cookie out of the cookie jar? (That's pretty much what the story if the Garden of Eden is, after all).
If you can define sin according to your own desires, then if as an individual, you wanted your neighbor's goods, what is keeping you from just killing your neighbor, and taking his goods, and lying to the law about it. Who is going to hold you to account? If there is no God, what truck did Satan ride into town on? As for children, they can steal as many cookies as they can get away with, but in 40 years, when they lose their teeth, and have to deal with diabetes, and being overweight with high blood pressure, they may reconsider their former ways. The ways of the false prophets, and of Satan, always lead to death and destruction (Matthew 7:13) & Genesis.
Not exactly true. To "Christians", the phrase, "after two days (taken from Hosea 6:2), on the third day" has already happened around 2000 years ago. Yeshua did know about Hosea 6:2, but he knew it was about Ephraim and Judah, and regarded the revived Judah and Jerusalem of Joel 3:2, and not about some Gentile/Christian dogma. If you read what Yeshua said, it was regarding that no one knew the day and the hour, but that when you see the fig tree putting forth its leaves, .... then recognize that the son of man is at the door. (Matthew 24:29-33).
True. Scary, but true.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Matthew 24:36 - No one but the Father knows. What makes you think you know better than Jesus? Why do you put words in his mouth and claim he knew things he said he doesn't know? Is he lying?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It's called being a social animal and having empathy and a conscious. It just isn't in me to do any of that.
Why are you taking this to extremes? Getting a cookie doesn't mean 40 years of gluttonous consumption of cookies.
The Jehovah's Witnesses don't respect and encourage scholarship. It is my opinion that they discourage looking at anything but what the governing body approves of scholarship. When I finally found a good reason to leave them, I was still very affraid of looking anywhere else for an opinion on what is the truth. They call themselves the truth.
I am certain that the Bible that everybody in the whole wide World posseses is a very bad copy of the truth. I do believe in God Almighty! I do believe in truth. I do believe in the truth that sets free.
I am afraid that the World doen't have it. It is there, hidden. We can't find it if we don't look for it.
David Young
Member
Post 111: What is scary about it?
The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. Is that not scary?
To multiply posts or not? I do not know!
If the Bible has been corrupted and so many people believe that it is the Word Of God...scary!
I shall be Jesus for a minute. OK? One dot in the word of God is changed and it becomes ALL CHANGED. There are many more important changes in it than one dot. Please!
If the Bible has been corrupted and so many people believe that it is the Word Of God...scary!
I shall be Jesus for a minute. OK? One dot in the word of God is changed and it becomes ALL CHANGED. There are many more important changes in it than one dot. Please!
There is a difference between "getting a cookie" and "stealing a cookie". When the cookie stealer, who enjoyed the adrenalin rush while stealing, eventually became a bank robber, became overweight, with diabetes, and came down with covid, and is using a ventilator, she is asking himself, would this have happened if I hadn't started my career by stealing cookies, and simply obeyed my mother. She would ask herself, if I had honored my mother, maybe I wouldn't have had an abortion, and consequently suffered constant depression, with bouts of confusion.
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Is that supposed to be funny? How am I supposed to know?
101G
Well-Known Member
first thanks for the reply. second. well, the bible is God Holy Word. and it's his words spoken by his chosen apostles. so, are you saying you don't believe the Bible? yes or no.
PICJAG, 101G.