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Baha'i and Messengers

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Policy said:
loverofhumanity said: ↑
Can we withstand the sun descending to the earth?

Policy said:
Your god is depicted as being omnipotent. So, yes.
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I do not see the connection between God being omnipotent and humans being able to withstand the sun descending to earth. :confused:
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
CG Didymus said:
Supposedly... God did turn the light up a little with Baha'u'llah. And in that room lighted up by Baha'u'llah's message, all religions are one. All people are one. And we should all unite together and follow his teachings and bring peace and unity to the world. I've been in that room and walked back out. There's something I don't trust.

One of the things is what Baha'is say the messengers. Did they all come from the one true God? Did they all teach about the one true God? Did they all bring special laws from the one true God that were needed at that time and place and then changed by the next messenger? So, have I gone from a dark room to a lighted room? Or am I still in the dark room and someone is blinding me with some shiny object?
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I dont know about your personal epistemology. So I cannot answer that. What I can do is think generally.

The Bahai theology is that every single religion that we know of had the same origin. In fact, this is the Islamic view as well but its a philosophical view based on direct scripture.

The point is, we cannot think for God.

Ill give you a point to ponder, I dont know if you are a theist or an atheist, but for this particular point you have to think methodologically.

1. God knows everything.
2. God can make everyone a prophet.
3. But he knows everything.
4. So he knows better.

Can a human question his motif?
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
F1fan said:
Well, the objective part is the most crucial one, because without that, well, it's just another boring religious claim that has no basis in fact, and we get to reject it wholesale.


In other words you failed to explain any objective part. You blame the forum for your failure. Weak.

I'll say no one has been blown away by any Baha'i presenting an objective case as to why Messengers of God are authentic. It would be groundbreaking if it was true. So, are you just bluffing about this part?


Well you just claimed an objective part, and now you admit you can't prove it. So that means you are inconsistent and not being truthful, at least partially.

You are on a forum making truth claim and can't show us that the claims are true. So we throw them out. THAT IS THE weakness on your part. Evidence is THE crucial element to any truth claim. We skeptics have a long history of reading claims and thinking critically about them, more so than the believers do. We are genuine truth seekers.
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You are hopeless. You can't do independent investigation. You depend on us to investigate for you. This is the end of this conversation for me. I am a critical thinker myself, though you will never believe that, or acknowledge that
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
TransmutingSoul said:
That may be the weakness of the person who throws out legitimate evidence.



Genuine truth seekers cannot be sceptics, they have to have an open unbiased mind with no preconceived ideas.

Regards Tony
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What's going on? I can't include you in a private conversation, and yet you are here. You seem to have excluded me from your profile now.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
I do not see the connection between God being omnipotent and humans being able to withstand the sun descending to earth. :confused:
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Ok. If the sun were to come down to meet us personally what would happen? It’s the same with God. We do not possess the capacity in our spirit or soul or mind to directly receive communication from God. We would be damaged. So God sends an Intermediary or Prophet in human form Who we can understand and relate to in our own language.

God is not a human being. He is a personal God though.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
TransmutingSoul said:
Should be OK.

Regards Tony
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Hi Tony. How are you and your better half? I hope you are both keeping clear of the virus. We had our booster shot the other day Pfizer and I was sick for a week with an upset tummy. Just began eating today.

We put a bit of money together and sent some parcels of rice and soap and eggs to very poor people in a village in Burma through my niece there. We are trying to commemorate the 100th Passing of Abdul-Baha by practising what He did. Hopefully we will learn from this.

See you soon one day soon hope.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

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Premium Member
loverofhumanity said:
Hi Tony. How are you and your better half? I hope you are both keeping clear of the virus. We had our booster shot the other day Pfizer and I was sick for a week with an upset tummy. Just began eating today.

We put a bit of money together and sent some parcels of rice and soap and eggs to very poor people in a village in Burma through my niece there. We are trying to commemorate the 100th Passing of Abdul-Baha by practising what He did. Hopefully we will learn from this.

See you soon one day soon hope.
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Allah'u'abha David, I hope you are both well now. My wife and I had the booster 3 weeks ago, we also had a week of various side effects. Covid-19 has made it to our town, so only a matter of time now.

To be as Abdul'baha was is indeed our greatest aim and bounty we can have. If you are going to send more stuff, let me know, my wife and I would also like to help.

Love to you, MTJ and all.

Regards Tony
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
Audie said:
A lot of it sounds like vanity, said by
some to be Satan's favourite sin.
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I got the same impression when presented with what Baha'u'llah has said about himself.
Jesus just said who He is and unlike with Baha'u'llah, God confirmed what Jesus said by raising Him from the dead.
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
Sheldon said:
If it helps I don't believe I anyone can suffer anything after they die. so chill and just live your life. In fact focus all your efforts and avoiding and preventing unnecessary suffering in this life, and it is the only one we have any objective evidence for.
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Maybe we only have subjective evidence for this life.
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
All the Messengers of God teach the same eternal truths. Only Their social laws differ as they were revealed to suit the needs of the people in each age.

Christ = love thy neighbour

Muhammad = love thy country

Baha’u’llah = love all humanity

See how wonderfully they reveal laws according to the development, evolution and progress of humanity. The law of love has never changed only widened to embrace all.
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The neighbour Jesus referred to included friends and enemies. There was no widening of that by Baha'u'llah.
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
loverofhumanity said:
God is omnipotent but we are not God just mere mortals. The Souls of the Prophets of God are pre-existent and we’re specially prepared to be able to sustain a Revelation from God.

Verily, were God the Exalted to appear in His (proper) grade and form, and in a manner befitting His Station, no one could ever approach Him or endure to be near Him. (Baha’u’llah)
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Jesus became a man.
The only man who has come down from heaven. (John 3:13)
 
ppp

ppp

Well-Known Member
loverofhumanity said:
Humans have been endowed with an innate capacity to recognise God and His Prophets.
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[sigh] According to fallible humans. You have to assume your conclusion that you have been endowed with an innate capacity to infallibly recognise God and His Prophets. It is circular reasoning.
 
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