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What Is Biblical Faith?

MyM

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As the language changes the original meaning is lost.


oh I see what you meant now :) That is true, language does change over time. It's like the gossip whisper in the ear game. You tell one thing in an ear of another and have them tell it down the line to about 10 people and by the time the end comes you have a whole new message.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
oh I see what you meant now :) That is true, language does change over time. It's like the gossip whisper in the ear game. You tell one thing in an ear of another and have them tell it down the line to about 10 people and by the time the end comes you have a whole new message.
Particular ' words ' change but that does Not have to mean the meaning changes.
Archaic words such as ' thee and thou ' for example are easily understood as you and me.
but what does Philemon 1:8 mean ?
or Genesis 25:29
or Leviticus 26:16
or Isaiah 14:23, or Isaiah 58:8 B What is a rereward____________
None of the above is playing whisper down the lane but research is needed to understand the modern word.
Not a new message, but understanding of the old archaic word.

One Bible translation says: Do Not be fashioned after the world, and another reads: Do Not be conformed to the world.
Different words but the meaning stays the same, and the ancient manuscripts can also be consulted.
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
Particular ' words ' change but that does Not have to mean the meaning changes.
Archaic words such as ' thee and thou ' for example are easily understood as you and me.
but what does Philemon 1:8 mean ?
or Genesis 25:29
or Leviticus 26:16
or Isaiah 14:23, or Isaiah 58:8 B What is a rereward____________
None of the above is playing whisper down the lane but research is needed to understand the modern word.
Not a new message, but understanding of the old archaic word.

One Bible translation says: Do Not be fashioned after the world, and another reads: Do Not be conformed to the world.
Different words but the meaning stays the same, and the ancient manuscripts can also be consulted.


Still kinda strange though to believe in a book that you can't be sure of...for all we know the meaning isn't being taught correctly so how do you know what to believe since nothing was written down during the time of Jesus? I mean just because some manuscripts were found, doesn't mean that they are correct in what is said, especially since there is no author to them. I think that is also one of the reasons why you see "parenthesis" on the title of the books in the bible. Inverted commas mean what ...why do that :)
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Still kinda strange though to believe in a book that you can't be sure of...for all we know the meaning isn't being taught correctly so how do you know what to believe since nothing was written down during the time of Jesus? I mean just because some manuscripts were found, doesn't mean that they are correct in what is said, especially since there is no author to them. I think that is also one of the reasons why you see "parenthesis" on the title of the books in the bible. Inverted commas mean what ...why do that :)

Everyone interprets it differently anyway
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Still kinda strange though to believe in a book that you can't be sure of...for all we know the meaning isn't being taught correctly so how do you know what to believe since nothing was written down during the time of Jesus? I mean just because some manuscripts were found, doesn't mean that they are correct in what is said, especially since there is no author to them. I think that is also one of the reasons why you see "parenthesis" on the title of the books in the bible. Inverted commas mean what ...why do that :)
Why can't one be sure? The Bible is chock full of corresponding cross-reference or parallel verses and passages showing the internal harmony among the many different Bible writers over many centuries.
When Jesus often said, " It is written....." Jesus was referring back to the OT and basing his teachings by his logical reasoning on them. One example: Matthew 5:5 is in connection to Psalms 37:9-11.
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
Why can't one be sure? The Bible is chock full of corresponding cross-reference or parallel verses and passages showing the internal harmony among the many different Bible writers over many centuries.
When Jesus often said, " It is written....." Jesus was referring back to the OT and basing his teachings by his logical reasoning on them. One example: Matthew 5:5 is in connection to Psalms 37:9-11.

It is simple. God doesn't make mistakes :)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
true, and I think that is why there are so many denominations even after it is said in the Bible that God is not the author of confusion. sighs...
Right, it is men who are the authors of confusion.
Mankind's religious family tree traces back to ancient Babylon and that is why they 'babble' on......
I find nothing confusing about what Jesus taught, but 'Christendom' ( the fake weed/tares ) cause confusion.
The fake 'weed/tares ' are the MANY Jesus spoke about at Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 13:36-38.
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
Right, it is men who are the authors of confusion.
Mankind's religious family tree traces back to ancient Babylon and that is why they 'babble' on......
I find nothing confusing about what Jesus taught, but 'Christendom' ( the fake weed/tares ) cause confusion.
The fake 'weed/tares ' are the MANY Jesus spoke about at Matthew 7:21-23; Matthew 13:36-38.

I'm just saying, the Bible has serious mistakes in it.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
That is why it is good to take one subject or one topic at a time.
A comprehensive concordance puts the Bible in alphabetical order to help locate verses on the same subject/topic.
Speaking of subjects, that has nothing to
do with the fact that everyone has their own reading.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Yes, that Genesis ' snake in the grass ' proved to be Satan the Devil at Revelation 12:9; Revelation 12:12.
Sinner Satan could have merely used that serpent the same way a ventriloquist uses his dummy to speak to Eve.
That is only true for those who accept the New Testament. There is nothing in the Tanakh that indcates that the snake was Satan.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Making snakes legless was not much of a punishment as they are the most successful group of reptiles.
Please notice that God was Not speaking about literal snakes but the Genesis judgement is directed to: Satan.
Satan was the original ' snake in the grass ', so to speak. - Genesis 3:14.
'Dust you will eat', or in other words Serpent Satan will ' bit the dust ' ( die, be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B )
Sinner Satan would be 'eating dust ', so to speak, ( meaning until his death / his destruction).
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
That is only true for those who accept the New Testament. There is nothing in the Tanakh that indcates that the snake was Satan.

Besides Genesis 3:14 any thoughts about Genesis 3:1
A literal snake/serpent was Not speaking to Eve.
( Eve should have realized and been suspicious that animals don't talk )
Sinner Satan merely used that animal as a ventriloquist uses his dummy.
Like a puppeteer, Satan pulled at Eve's heartstrings - her desire to be her own goddess.
Be her own goddess to choose what was right or what was wrong regardless of what God said.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Please notice that God was Not speaking about literal snakes but the Genesis judgement is directed to: Satan.
Satan was the original ' snake in the grass ', so to speak. - Genesis 3:14.
'Dust you will eat', or in other words Serpent Satan will ' bit the dust ' ( die, be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B )
Sinner Satan would be 'eating dust ', so to speak, ( meaning until his death / his destruction).

Whatever. Everyone says different.

You forgot to address Paul's snake story.
Its not so much an error as it is a scam.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
..... .You forgot to address Paul's phony snake story
Yes, I did address about Paul and that real snake at Acts of the Apostles 28:3-6.
Luke writes letting us know at Verse 5 Paul was able to 'shake off' the viper/snake.
The people (Not Paul) came to the conclusion in verse 6 that Paul was a god.

I see in Greek mythology, Dike was the name of the goddess of justice.
The people thought that she oversaw human affairs.
Possible the people believed that although Paul escaped the sea Paul was a marked man who would be overtaken by the goddess Dike.
When the people saw Paul unharmed, they simply changed their minds.
 
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