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Bigotry as practice

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Why is it important to you that I justify it as evidence for me? I decline to do that, it is between me and God. Do you hope to attack my reasoning about why it is evidence? I don't want any of that. I don't want an argument over that. Are you on a mission here to disabuse people here of beliefs you consider irrational? The evidence I presented is not the whole evidence, either. I cannot do that in a short manner. Some of the evidence is inner, within myself. There's nothing I can say to you about that. All evidence is not outer objective facts.
Because we're on a public forum debate forum, and you're making claims.

Why do people come to public debate forums and get all up in arms when people challenge the claims they're making?
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
It's My Birthday!
Because we're on a public forum debate forum, and you're making claims.

Why do people come to public debate forums and get all up in arms when people challenge the claims they're making?
You wanted evidence, I gave you a little evidence. I'm not upset or up in arms about it. I don't like useless debates, and I consider this one of those or it could become that. That's the end of it for me.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
You wanted evidence, I gave you a little evidence. I'm not upset or up in arms about it. I don't like useless debates, and I consider this one of those or it could become that. That's the end of it for me.
Then I would suggest that debate forums aren't the place for you, if you're not interested in debate.
I won't stop challenging claims I find to be lacking in evidence, sorry.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
No problem Skeptic Thinker. So you came to the defence of your fellow.

Can you give any evidence to the statement "For good people to do evil things, it takes religion."?

If you dont have any research based, hypothesis quantified statistical evidence, this is just a faith statement.

Please go ahead.
From Are religious people more moral?

I found this interesting
Do people practice what they preach?
Social scientific research on the topic offers some intriguing results.

When researchers ask people to report on their own behaviors and attitudes, religious individuals claim to be more altruistic, compassionate, honest, civic and charitable than nonreligious ones. Even among twins, more religious siblings describe themselves are being more generous.

But when we look at actual behavior, these differences are nowhere to be found.

Researchers have now looked at multiple aspects of moral conduct, from charitable giving and cheating in exams to helping strangers in need and cooperating with anonymous others.

In a classical experiment known as the “Good Samaritan Study,” researchers monitored who would stop to help an injured person lying in an alley. They found that religiosity played no role in helping behavior, even when participants were on their way to deliver a talk on the parable of the good Samaritan.”
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
From Are religious people more moral?

I found this interesting
Do people practice what they preach?
Social scientific research on the topic offers some intriguing results.

When researchers ask people to report on their own behaviors and attitudes, religious individuals claim to be more altruistic, compassionate, honest, civic and charitable than nonreligious ones. Even among twins, more religious siblings describe themselves are being more generous.

But when we look at actual behavior, these differences are nowhere to be found.

Researchers have now looked at multiple aspects of moral conduct, from charitable giving and cheating in exams to helping strangers in need and cooperating with anonymous others.

In a classical experiment known as the “Good Samaritan Study,” researchers monitored who would stop to help an injured person lying in an alley. They found that religiosity played no role in helping behavior, even when participants were on their way to deliver a talk on the parable of the good Samaritan.”

I never claim that religiosity has anything to do with helping an injured person.

But thanks for the research. I will definitely read them.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
But you did, after agreeing that human beings created Israel. No God required.
Just because some text in an old book says so, I'm supposed to believe a God did it, when I know humans did it?

I always find it pretty weird that this all-powerful God has to enlist humans to do some of his dirty work for him and can't just do stuff himself. I mean, we're supposedly talking about some all-powerful creator that made everything we see, but he can't make the nation of Israel or dash babies heads against rocks himself - he's gotta get humans to do that stuff for some reason.

Clever people, these Jews... just HOW did they 'know', back in Egyptian times,
there would be a Hebrew nation but some nation would end it and exile them
for a very long time. - but they would return to this land after many years of
persecution, in every country, and take it back with the sword.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Well, as a former professional soldier I don't agree.
Killing another human is both good and bad relative to point of view.
A soldier is killed during a battle that happened because a government decided to harm the other group and now they are upset. Who is evil? The soldier working for a government trying to screw over a country for profit or the soldier who shot that soldier who was threatening his comrades and family?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
That my government’s has committed evil since the 17th century doesn’t make Muslim terrorists not terrorists. The globe is filled with bad guys.

The most brutal modern day terrorist groups is the LTTE. They grandfathered the suicide belt. Killed the president of Sri Lanka, and the Prime Minister of India, along with 180,000 innocent people. Most people dont know this because its not in their day to day TV.

They were a Leninist group, atheistic, Hindu background, with secular objectives.

No one knows, and no one cares.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Ive been thinking about this topic for about a decade and have been finding bigotry not only prevailing but increasing. Ill give some examples. Mind you, you may consider this anecdotal, no problem.

1. Some Muslims have this idea that all who dont believe in the prophet Muhammed are lacking morals. This seems like an arbitrary idea, and I am yet to see some scholarly exegesis of what ever Islamic text that states this as such. I would say even if some text say this directly, it is bigotry and should be avoided because its just nonsense. The same sentiment goes to some Christians. But it could be that Muslims and Christians are so vast in numbers that I encounter them more.

2. Some Atheists think that all theists are just stupid. They think all theists are just uneducated, and in fact, about a decade ago I did notice that there was a uprising in atheistic polemics that all theists are just uneducated. And I have known some ex Christians who became Muslims who have told me that once they became Muslims they noticed that the atheistic idea that all theists are just plain stupid and uneducated increased. But this is not based on a worldwide study of course. I have noticed in this very forum. Sometimes when you present some kind of research, they find the researcher was Christian, the atheist had this idea that since he is Christian its invalid. But hey, they took Newton and Algebra. I think that's hypocritical really.

Its better to put it bluntly. This is bigotry. Unresearched, yes. But what ever the background is, or the level of research finding, it is in my opinion, just bigotry because I personally believe that this kind of thinking is not based on research. Its just an indoctrination of some kind.

What do you think?
I think you may be misrepresenting.-?-

Some Christian sects are typically favoured by those with low education.
It is probably impossible for a creationist to be
well informed and intellectually honest re matters of evolution and deep time.
This is as true for scientists as anyone else.
Nothing about Christians, as such.

You may encounter an atheist who misrepresents ALL Christians so.
They are idiots first, bigots third.

Dont forget that there are bible verses that
are cited by anti atheist bigots.

I did btw have a professed Christian say
he'd have me hanging from a lamppost, when he got Word that its time to kill all the atheists.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
It is probably impossible for a creationist to be
well informed and intellectually honest re matters of evolution and deep time.

How many people were in your research sample? What was the research methodology?

Or is that just speculation which is the definition of bigotry?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
How many people were in your research sample? What was the research methodology?

Or is that just speculation which is the definition of bigotry?

What lady could possibly resist such
a delightful invitation to a respectful discussion.
 
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