Is God good? Is God loving?

URAVIP2ME said:

To me, God is holding the bag in which human will NOT suffer - please see Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 22:2.
In God's bag, so to speak, we find ' healing ' for earth's nations - Rev. 22:2
In God's bag, No one will say, " I am sick,,,,,," - Isa. 33:24
In God's bag, Earth and its people will be healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
In God's bag, even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

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I believe there will always be suffering on Earth because suffering is inherent in a material world. However, I believe that in the future. When all people know God - for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea - everyone will follow God's teachings and laws and human suffering will be minimized. That is what is meant by the new Earth.

Isaiah 11:6-9 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

I believe that people will continue to live and die because humans were created to be mortal creatures.
People must die in order for more people to be born and live on Earth, but nobody ever really dies since they continue to live in the spiritual world.

Koldo said:

I agree. I fail to see the connection between this post and the other before it though.

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A little more context in the second one.

Nimos said:

But that is evil as well isn't it? We talked about it before, God allowing animals to kill each other in horrific ways, it doesn't do humans any good or the animals for that matter. So wouldn't that be a clear sign of God doing or designing something that is evil? or in what way is that even remotely beneficial for humans that this is going on?

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To me it would not be a clear sign of God doing or designing something that is evil, but the design would be a sign that God does not care if animals suffer and die in horrific ways and that is one reason I cannot consider that God good or loving. I can say that there are mysteries in life I don't know about and I think I will know more after I die and pass to the next world.

Nimos said:

Well I decided that I won't worship such being, I don't care if he is true or not. Should it turn out that God is real and doesn't give very good answers, he doesn't deserve to be worshipped at all, and I don't even know why a all powerful being such as God, even would like to be worshipped, that to me sounds a bit mental to be honest

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Lucky you, you do not already believe in God. I am in a different situation so I have to try to make sense of it all. That is one reason I start threads like this.

God does not want worship for Himself, He wants people to worship Him for their own benefit. Tell me what the benefit is and then we will both know. I do not really worship God, but Baha'is say work is worship so in a sense I am worshiping all day and night long!

Nimos said:

On a completely different note, since I know you like cats.

I reasonably went on vacation to Sweden with my family. And me and my mother decided to go for a walk to the nearby lake through a forest, approximately 20 minute walk each way, on the way there we ran into the neighbors cat, which decided that it wanted to go for a walk, so it went with us all the way down there and back like a dog would. I have to say that I was really impressed, I expected it to run off after 3-5 minutes, but it went with us for 40 minutes

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Thanks for sharing that story. Some cats do take walks like dogs. We have an outdoor cat and we call her outdoor kitty. She was a feral cat but she became tame after we started feeding her some time ago. She is very friendly and likes attention and sometimes when I walk down the gravel road that leads to our house she follows me down and it is a long way.

Link said:

The signs from fruits, nature, animals we use like horses, all point to a Good Creator.

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No they don't....those evolved like all living things.

Sheldon said:

No they don't....those evolved like all living things.

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I can agree with you on that too, as Baha'is believe in evolution.
I believe that God set the process of evolution in motion but God did not create everything in six days.

Trailblazer said:

Then I suggest that religious believers stop saying that God is good. It is the believers who create the expectations that God is good with their Scriptures.

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God is good.
Humans chose bad.
God allows bad.
God prefers good.
Humans prefer good.
Humans act bad.
God explains good.
Humans prefer good.
Humans act bad.
God prefer good.
Humans, should really fast, understand how to act good.
So far, we are far far behind than how we should really behave.
There's the freedom of will for you

Segev Moran said:

God is good.
Humans chose bad.
God allows bad.
God prefers good.
Humans prefer good.
Humans act bad.
God explains good.
Humans prefer good.
Humans act bad.
God prefer good.
Humans, should really fast, understand how to act good.
So far, we are far far behind than how we should really behave.
There's the freedom of will for you

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Of course, all of those are beliefs based upon Scripture, and not only the Bible. The Baha'i Writings teach the same things about God and humans. The salient problem is that we can never know what God is, even if we believe we can know from Scripture because God is unknowable.

That is my personal opinion FWIW..

Trailblazer said:

Of course, all of those are beliefs based upon Scripture, and not only the Bible. The Baha'i Writings teach the same things about God and humans. The salient problem is that we can never know what God is, even if we believe we can know from Scripture because God is unknowable.

That is my personal opinion FWIW..

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I agree
God is indeed an unknowable, but it is essential for us to exist. so I guess I see it as something good

Trailblazer said:

But what about the ugliness of nature such as animals killing each other in the wild? What about people who are hateful and mean and hurt other people? Sure we have the potential to be good and Jesus is the perfect image of the Father, but there is still a lot of evil and suffering in this world.

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But those are all the results of people choosing to sin. Even nature being tooth and claw is the result of original sin. God created a perfect place... and it will be perfect again.

Trailblazer said:

I see nothing in Scripture that indicates that anyone will be resurrected to live their eternal life on Earth.
I believe all people will be resurrected and pass to the spiritual world. Those who are close to God will be in Heaven, which is a state of the soul, not a geographical location. Those who were not close to God will continue to exist, but they will be 'as dead' compared to those who are close to God.
This is what I believe is meant by resurrection:
The Resuscitation of Man from the Dead and His Entrance into Eternal Life...............................
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.<-

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Yes, the spirit at death returns to God who gave "it". Notice one's spirit is a neuter "it" and Not a person.
Adam's spirit (it) went out like a burnt-out light bulb the day Adam died.
ALL of Adam ' returned ' to where Adam started - Genesis 3:19 - the dust of the ground.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
So, when ones' spirit "it" returns to God (Ecclesiastes 12:7 B "IT" ) that is like a foreclosed house.
The foreclosed house does Not move or go anywhere but is ' returned ' to the owner's hands.
At death any future life is now safely in God's hands.
I find Resurrection meant to Jesus a literal returning back to life on Earth.
ALL the resurrections that Jesus performed were only healthy physical resurrections.
Jesus was giving us a preview, a small sample, of what he will be doing on a GRAND global scale.
This is why Jesus could promise that humble meek people will inherit the 'Earth' at Matthew 5:5.
This is in reference to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29. Notice who is cut off at Psalms 37:34-38.
Or, as Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35 says the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' ( No future life for the wicked )
The wicked are the ones are who are cut off, rooted out of the Earth - see Proverbs 2:21-22.
It is the upright who ' remain ' on Earth - Proverbs 2:21.
Notice who will Not inhabit the Earth according to Proverbs 10:30, but it is the righteous who remain on Earth.
In Scripture, Adam and his descendants were only offered everlasting life here on Earth.
Jesus only offered a heavenly exemption only to a few people like those people found at Luke 22:28-30.
They are like the saints / holy ones of Daniel 7:18; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 20:6.

Trailblazer said:

I believe there will always be suffering on Earth because suffering is inherent in a material world. However, I believe that in the future. When all people know God - for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea - everyone will follow God's teachings and laws and human suffering will be minimized. That is what is meant by the new Earth.
Isaiah 11:6-9 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
I believe that people will continue to live and die because humans were created to be mortal creatures.
People must die in order for more people to be born and live on Earth, but nobody ever really dies since they continue to live in the spiritual world.

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Yes, mortal Adam was created as a mortal. Even the angels are mortals.
Dead people do Not turn into angels.
Sinner Satan, who is an angel, will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B.
ALL the mortal wicked ( angelic or human ) will be 'destroyed forever' - Psalms 92:7; 104:35

Mortal Adam was created as perfectly healthy and to live in perfect health forever on Earth.
If there was No population cap for Earth, then yes, if people would Not die earth would be over populated.
Please remember: Genesis 1:28 because people were to only reproduce until Earth was populated/ full.
Not overly populated, Not overly full. Reproduction was to cease on Earth.
Once Earth was populated with righteous people, then as Revelation speaks of new scrolls (books) being opened then we will know more of God's purpose for the rest of the Universe beyond Earth.

Segev Moran said:

I agree
God is indeed an unknowable, but it is essential for us to exist. so I guess I see it as something good

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True, if we want to exist.

Segev Moran said:

God is good.Humans chose bad.God allows bad.God prefers good.Humans prefer good.Humans act bad.God explains good.Humans prefer good.Humans act bad.God prefer good.Humans, should really fast, understand how to act good.So far, we are far far behind than how we should really behave. There's the freedom of will for you

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Yes, we all have the freedom to act responsibly toward God. Like Adam the free-will choice is ours to make.
The 'far, far behind ' could end up like the figurative ' goats ' at Jesus' coming Glory Time of Matthew 25:31-33,37.
It is either ' repent ' or 'perish ' (be destroyed) - 2 Peter 3:9

Wildswanderer said:

But those are all the results of people choosing to sin. Even nature being tooth and claw is the result of original sin. God created a perfect place... and it will be perfect again.

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How is the suffering of animals and animals killing each other in the wild the result of people choosing to sin?
Can you please explain that to me?

firedragon said:

Your sentence does not make any sense Koido. Never mind. Can you just do a quick search "contingent being"? Maybe if you read off the internet you will understand better because you will probably trust it. Or if you have something like an encyclopaedia of philosophy, that would be even better. Routledge, "Edward Craig" is highly recommended.

Having said that, you are asking about a contingent "something" is to say it exists. Maybe you didnt read the post you responded to. I used the "laptop" as an example. If you read again, maybe you understand.

I think when @Trailblazer is typing out her posts here, she knows her laptop exists. Hope you understand.

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I am now under the impression you are not using the words 'necessary' and 'contingent' as in modal logic, but in some other way. Is this correct?

There is nothing about modal logic that entails that 'necessary beings' actually exist. To say that something is necessary merely means it holds true in all possible worlds. This however doesn't entail there are statements that do hold true in all possible worlds.

Our teachings just human said our holy human father is now God in the heavens unconditional loving us as his life is recorded with God.

When we die we said we will be with God.

Which meant in science gas heavens owned a pre state to record all objects dark light alive deceased as the state.

Hence the state is not science. As it was preconceived in the state gods.

In satanisms God O one planet and it's heavens both reactive can destroy anything anytime.

We Never Know said:

I don't know. Maybe they see being able to have a child, even for a short time as a miracle.

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Maybe if child birth was rare, but it's quite prevalent. So "miracle" should have a higher bar, like a God saving children.

And they may believe they will one day be reunited with it.

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That is how a mind suffering from trauma copes with loss.

F1fan said:

That is how a mind suffering from trauma copes with loss.

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Yep.

In creation science the good God supports only what a human says is good.

Any change was a Satanism of God.

Two teachings about one.

Natural formed owned the origin the highest.

Man theist satanist against God existing took God away from our presence.

Is the exact human teaching.

Science machines never owned god.

The teaching Living human.

The known human identification God kills children with our very own hands. Human belief I work on behalf of god doing satanisms.

Was and was always the human teaching of another human only.

Use the information correctly for once . Human teachings to humans.

Aupmanyav said:

I have no intention of retracting from my statement. The Standard Model of Big Bang says that we started with a ball of 'physical energy'. Therefore, all that exists in the universe is just that. Hindus know it as 'Brahman'.

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Notice you say we meaning human men.

And you personally did not start there.