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Ether Model is Key

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Since the OP was exposed to be a bit of a nutter, and no one else takes this nonsense seriously why do you think that you would get a response about this topic?
This is what I asked...."If I understand it correctly, MMX assumes that the ether is an omnipresent static medium through which the planet and light waves travel, is this so?"

I do not see why a reasonable person who had the background to understood what I was asking would not respond if they knew. Do you know?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
This is what I asked...."If I understand it correctly, MMX assumes that the ether is an omnipresent static medium through which the planet and light waves travel, is this so?"

I do not see why a reasonable person who had the background to understood what I was asking would not respond if they knew. Do you know?
It is a rather pointless question since the ether was refuted over a hundred years ago. But yes, planets and light traveled through it in the old, and now long dead, hypothesis.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
It is a rather pointless question since the ether was refuted over a hundred years ago. But yes, planets and light traveled through it in the old, and now long dead, hypothesis.
So if some people believe that planets and light travel through the dark energy medium that is considered to be omnipresent, would the same MMX prove them wrong?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ether schmeether.
It doesn't matter whether some version
of this ether concept exists or not.
What does matter....
Does assuming an ether provide testable (ie, useful) theories
with better predictive ability than non-ether based physics?
This has not been shown.

Remember, folks...physics is just our model of how
the material world functions. It's not "true". The
goal is better & better models.
As George Box said....
"All models are wrong, but some are useful."
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Ether schmeether.
It doesn't matter whether some version
of this ether concept exists or not.
What does matter....
Does assuming an ether provide testable (ie, useful) theories
with better predictive ability than non-ether based physics?
This has not been shown.

Remember, folks...physics is just our model of how
the material world functions. It's not "true". The
goal is better & better models.
As George Box said....
"All models are wrong, but some are useful."
But one would expect that science would know by this time if space is a vacuum or not?

I am curious as to exactly when scientists found out that space is a vacuum and not made up of ether? What year was this and who is credited with the discovery?
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
It is not that simple.

You also asked a poorly formed question. The existence of a vacuum has nothing to do with the existence or nonexistence of the ether.
That was not my question, it was asked by Nancy Thorgaard.
The answer to the question was answered by members of PhysLink.com: Physics and Astronomy Online

Well I would understand that they are implying that if the existence of an ether was proven to not exist, then space logically must be a vacuum. I disagree, space is not empty and ether, at least a form of ether that is not the same as Michelson and Morley imagined it, does exist.
 
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