firedragon
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Prove with empiricism that Brahman is energy. This is just preaching.
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What is God?
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Prove with empiricism that Brahman is energy. This is just preaching.
Ask what? Whether Mikkel's views and mine on the questions mentioned are irreconcilable?
I already know the answer. I'd be surprised if Mikkel disputed it, since it's also his answer.
firedragon
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I think you have gone into a completely different topic.
As a materialist I have no problem with that, though wiser heads than mine here kindly pointed out that on our present understanding of physics, I should think of reality as composed of both matter and energy.
Thus I think the contents of the Big Bang were matter and energy, that the rules of physics are qualities or effects of matter and energy, that our dimensions (or at the least the spatial ones ─ time can get me confused) are effects of matter and energy,
Then my apologies accordingly.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Matter is energy. Ask Einstein.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
How is this a preaching. It is the accepted position in science. Check Wikipedia or anywhere else.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Prove that Brahman is Energy via empirical evidence since you are an empiricist.
Heyo
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Matter and energy are solutions of field equations. Ask Schrödinger.
(All are models of reality which are more or less practical in different situations. In the end they have to to be equivalent.)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
There is nothing to prove (according to the standard model of Big Bang) when I clearly say that Brahman is 'physical energy', only that it is the name adopted in Advaita Hinduism (non-dualism) for the sole entity that exists and constitutes all things in the universe without any exception. As I always say even Pol Pot and Caliph Ibrahim were none other than Brahman. > You too are that < (Tat twam asi - Chandogya Upanishad).
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well, ask any one, Einstein or Schrodinger. Just don't ask anyone in the Quantum Mechanics. Only Allah knows what they may reply.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Prove that empirically.
These are ultimately questions for more expert knowledge than mine.
Yes, I would say as God is a Spirit person (invisible to us) form.
However, we don't imagine nature, imagine the Earth around us.
When we see a cabin out in a secluded woods we know someone built it.
So to me, we can conclude the same thing about the orderly universe.
I find nature won't change because God created the Earth to exist forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalms 104:5
Where ever damaged is stopped, resilient Earth bounces right back.
I like how you said 'add a requirement of common sense' or as some people would say horse sense.
To Jesus common sense is to have self-sacrificing love by putting others first - John 13:34-35.
In other words, Jesus was stressing to Now love neighbor MORE than self, more than the Golden Rule.
Jesus too never claimed to be God - John 10:36.
When un-faithhful Jews began mixing with non-Jews they adopted their non-scriptural view points.
This lead to the formation of 'Christendom' (so-called Christian but mostly in name only).
Yes, John never taught Jesus was ' before' the beginning as God was ' before' the beginning - Psalms 90:2
Rather, Jesus was ' IN' the beginning but Not 'before' the beginning as his God was.
It began to be clear around the end of the 18th century, and was quite plain even before Darwin (1859) that the argument from design you're using is inadequate, leads only to a god-of-the-ever-shrinking-gaps.
But that's a matter for you, of course.
We still have no coherent concept of a real God, one with objective existence, a metabolism, sensory organs, and so on.
No physical God, but biblical God is a Spirit Person who lives in the heaven of heavens - 1st Kings 8
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Are you not made up of molecules and atoms? And are molecules and atoms anything other than energy? Why should such a simple thing tax your brain? You are a knowledgeable person.