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Calling all landlords, or anyone else

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I have an urgent problem with a tenant that has to be dealt with right away. I know what I need to do but I am open to any suggestions or moral support anyone might be able to offer.

This involves a tenant who has been renting one of my houses for about nine years. He has been behind on the rent for most of that time. He would pay rent sporadically when he had money but he has never been paid in full for many years. I allowed it because I always had other more pressing problems going on so I did not have time to deal with evicting him and re-renting the house, and because I hoped he would pay eventually because he wants to stay in the house. Also, I did not want to evict him while he owed me so much money since I knew I would never get the money even if I won in court since he has no assets and no job, so he has no wages I can garnish and no assets. So I took my chances and waited for him to pay the rent, as he always promised to do.

Since the Covid-19 eviction moratorium began I could not evict him. My hands were tied and I am sure he knew it because he stopped paying rent altogether, and by the end of August he owed me 15 month’s rent in the amount of $18,000. Fortunately, I was able to apply for rental assistance from the money appropriated by the federal government and I applied for that last March. After months of waiting I just got a check for $18,000 which covers all his rent owing through the end of August.

He now owes me for September and October. I know I need to tell him that he has to pay these months and keep up on the rent after that or he cannot continue living in the house so I plan to send him an e-mail stating that. The eviction moratorium comes to an in my state at the end of this month so I could evict him in November if I wanted to, but I still don’t want the hassle. However, I cannot allow this go on any longer! The $2400 he owes me now is a pittance compared to what he owed me before, long before the pandemic started. Obviously, if I allow him to start accruing debt again I will be right back in the hole I was in before the pandemic.

He has a home-based legal consulting business and he says he does not have clients but even if that is true he can get job somewhere else because many businesses are desperate for employees and they are paying more wages than ever before. There is no excuse for him not paying the rent. There never was an excuse because it was not because s Covid-19 that he didn’t pay the rent, since he did not pay the rent before that either.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I don't have a magic bullet. My father was a landlord. I was a landlord for a short time.

I did have a tenant who owed rent. I offered him a deal that if he did some repair work for me, painting, I'd count it against the rent. He did not do as much as he promised and eventually moved out.

Sadly, there's nothing you can do as far as I can see but evict him. You have my best wishes that it goes smoothly.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I've been a landlord previously, and generally worked with the tenant to reach compromise on issues. Luckily, my tenants were pretty good, overall.

But in your situation, it sounds like eviction time. I know if it was me I wouldn't make the decision lightly, but someone else can be enjoying your property...and paying fair rent.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I've been a landlord previously, and generally worked with the tenant to reach compromise on issues. Luckily, my tenants were pretty good, overall.

But in your situation, it sounds like eviction time. I know if it was me I wouldn't make the decision lightly, but someone else can be enjoying your property...and paying fair rent.
I am going to give him a chance to pay up and see what happens but I am not going to give him very long as I have done in the past.
This has to end eventually.

The house is about 80 miles away so that just makes it more difficult for me to manage since driving that far is difficult for me anymore, especially in winter.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I have an urgent problem with a tenant that has to be dealt with right away. I know what I need to do but I am open to any suggestions or moral support anyone might be able to offer.

This involves a tenant who has been renting one of my houses for about nine years. He has been behind on the rent for most of that time. He would pay rent sporadically when he had money but he has never been paid in full for many years. I allowed it because I always had other more pressing problems going on so I did not have time to deal with evicting him and re-renting the house, and because I hoped he would pay eventually because he wants to stay in the house. Also, I did not want to evict him while he owed me so much money since I knew I would never get the money even if I won in court since he has no assets and no job, so he has no wages I can garnish and no assets. So I took my chances and waited for him to pay the rent, as he always promised to do.

Since the Covid-19 eviction moratorium began I could not evict him. My hands were tied and I am sure he knew it because he stopped paying rent altogether, and by the end of August he owed me 15 month’s rent in the amount of $18,000. Fortunately, I was able to apply for rental assistance from the money appropriated by the federal government and I applied for that last March. After months of waiting I just got a check for $18,000 which covers all his rent owing through the end of August.

He now owes me for September and October. I know I need to tell him that he has to pay these months and keep up on the rent after that or he cannot continue living in the house so I plan to send him an e-mail stating that. The eviction moratorium comes to an in my state at the end of this month so I could evict him in November if I wanted to, but I still don’t want the hassle. However, I cannot allow this go on any longer! The $2400 he owes me now is a pittance compared to what he owed me before, long before the pandemic started. Obviously, if I allow him to start accruing debt again I will be right back in the hole I was in before the pandemic.

He has a home-based legal consulting business and he says he does not have clients but even if that is true he can get job somewhere else because many businesses are desperate for employees and they are paying more wages than ever before. There is no excuse for him not paying the rent. There never was an excuse because it was not because s Covid-19 that he didn’t pay the rent, since he did not pay the rent before that either.


i think you have helped him, given him opportunities et al. Someone once said "By their fruit you will know them". If he stopped paying during the pandemic, imv, it really shows his heart.

As difficult it is, eviction seems to be the only option.

The people who I rented for three years to were sometimes on-time and sometimes late but always tried to make it happen.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There is no magic bullet.
She must bite the bullet.
Begin eviction proceedings.
Evil capitalist!!:mad::mad:

Serious question: An employer used to be able to say why they fired someone. Not today. Can a renter put a black mark on a person's renting history without fear of legal reprisal?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Evil capitalist!!:mad::mad:

Serious question: An employer used to be able to say why they fired someone. Not today. Can a renter put a black mark on a person's renting history without fear of legal reprisal?
It can be difficult to get a full picture of a tenant reference
from a landlord these days because of the risk of a suit.
Anyone can sue anyone for anything. And court is expensive.
Many stick to limited things that are unlikely to be disputed,
eg, occupancy dates, payment record.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
To me personally, the tenant’s circumstances is none of my business, nor are their morals. What I’d be taking into account are my own. I’d be asking:

Have I got a mortgage left on the property?
If no, cool.
If yes, am I struggling to pay the mortgage for the property?
If no, cool.
If yes, I need a tenant who will pay their rent.

Is my tenant paying utility bills for the property?
If yes, cool.
If no, am I struggling to pay the utility bills for the property?
If no, cool.
If yes, I need a tenant who will pay their rent.

It’s pretty straightforward to me really.


Humbly
Hermit
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
To me personally, the tenant’s circumstances is none of my business, nor are their morals. What I’d be taking into account are my own. I’d be asking:

Have I got a mortgage left on the property?
If no, cool.
If yes, am I struggling to pay the mortgage for the property?
If no, cool.
If yes, I need a tenant who will pay their rent.
No, I have no mortgage but what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?
So if I have no mortgage I should let the tenant live in the house for free?
No, it is not cool when tenants take advantage of landlords, saying they will pay the rent and not doing so.
Is my tenant paying utility bills for the property?
If yes, cool.
If no, am I struggling to pay the utility bills for the property?
If no, cool.
If yes, I need a tenant who will pay their rent.

It’s pretty straightforward to me really.
No, he is behind on the water/sewer bill which is in my name. Now that the eviction moratorium is over the water company will turn the water off if he does not pay the bill.

There is nothing cool about it. People have to pay their rent and utility bills or not have a place to live with utilities.
Everyone knows that.

It’s pretty straightforward to me really.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
No, I have no mortgage but what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China?
So if I have no mortgage I should let the tenant live in the house for free?
No, it is not cool when tenants take advantage of landlords, saying they will pay the rent and not doing so.

No, he is behind on the water/sewer bill which is in my name. Now that the eviction moratorium is over the water company will turn the water off if he does not pay the bill.

There is nothing cool about it. People have to pay their rent and utility bills or not have a place to live with utilities.
Everyone knows that.

It’s pretty straightforward to me really.


It’s a choice Trailblazer. We either choose to act based on what we believe that others should/shouldn’t do, or we make choices based on what we ourselves should/shouldn’t do.

I live by the latter. I treat you based, not on how you “deserve” to be treated (that is none of my business and it is also not my place to judge what you deserve), but on how I feel that I must treat people.

And one of my things is never to take more that what I need to. Whether I’m entitled to it or not, does not come into it. And the world does not go under simply because I do not take all that I am entitled to; trust me.

Not only does it work; it feels really good too.


Humbly
Hermit
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It’s a choice Trailblazer. We either choose to act based on what we believe that others should/shouldn’t do, or we make choices based on what we ourselves should/shouldn’t do.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't we act on both?
I live by the latter. I treat you based, not on how you “deserve” to be treated (that is none of my business and it is also not my place to judge what you deserve), but on how I feel that I must treat people.
I live by the latter. I treat you based, not on how you “deserve” to be treated (that is none of my business and it is also not my place to judge what you deserve), but on how I feel that I must treat people.
I also act on how I feel that I must treat people, what is just and fair. Have you ever heard of a thing called justice or do all you believe in is Christian love?

2: O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 3-4

Please explain how it is just and fair to allow a tenant to live in my house for free, when he is able-bodied and can get a job and pay the rent? How am I doing him any favors to allow him to live rent free and take advantage of me?
And one of my things is never to take more that what I need to. Whether I’m entitled to it or not, does not come into it. And the world does not go under simply because I do not take all that I am entitled to; trust me.
Whether I need the money or not is irrelevant to the point, completely irrelevant. It is not as if he cannot get a job and pay the rent, like all decent respectable human beings. Moreover, somebody else who needs a rental could be living there and they would pay the rent because that is what people do if they want a place to live.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't we act on both?

I also act on how I feel that I must treat people, what is just and fair. Have you ever heard of a thing called justice or do all you believe in is Christian love?

2: O SON OF SPIRIT! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.
The Hidden Words of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 3-4

Please explain how it is just and fair to allow a tenant to live in my house for free, when he is able-bodied and can get a job and pay the rent? How am I doing him any favors to allow him to live rent free and take advantage of me?

Whether I need the money or not is irrelevant to the point, completely irrelevant. It is not as if he cannot get a job and pay the rent, like all decent respectable human beings. Moreover, somebody else who needs a rental could be living there and they would pay the rent because that is what people do if they want a place to live.


Hmm… It would seem that you preoccupy yourself greatly with your tenant’s moral choices and that you consider one of your duties to be that of teaching your tenant a lesson in how to act responsibly. You must think rather highly of yourself…

You could just be terribly bored…
Or simply brainwashed into believing that you must unquestionably always take what all that you are entitled to. It’s quite common, so don’t rule it out.

I’m a little puzzled as to why you started this thread, though. You do not appear to be uncertain of what to do. Why not just evict the silly bugger are get on with your life…?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Hmm… It would seem that you preoccupy yourself greatly with your tenant’s moral choices and that you consider one of your duties to be that of teaching your tenant a lesson in how to act responsibly. You must think rather highly of yourself…
Show me anything I said that indicates that I am preoccupied with my tenant's moral choices or anything I said that indicates one of my duties to be that of teaching my tenant a lesson in how to act responsibly...

All I ever said is that I expect him to pay the rent and if he cannot pay the rent or chooses not to I cannot allow him to remain in my house living for free.

The government paid $18,000 for that tenant so he would not be liable for it. I am the one who applied for the rental assistance and followed up on it. He should be grateful that the government paid all that money. He is on a contract that says he has to pay rent. He should pay the rent from here on in because that is the law... ever heard of laws?
You could just be terribly bored…
Or simply brainwashed into believing that you must unquestionably always take what all that you are entitled to. It’s quite common, so don’t rule it out.
I am entitled to the rent monies because he signed a rental contract and the law says he has to pay the rent or be evicted. Where have you been living, in a cave?

Give me one good reason why I should not expect what I am entitled to. When people cannot give me a reason that is a dead giveaway that there is no reason that makes any rational sense.

Why do you think it is just and fair that the tenant lives in the house for free? Please answer my question directly instead of obfuscating.
I’m a little puzzled as to why you started this thread, though. You do not appear to be uncertain of what to do. Why not just evict the silly bugger are get on with your life…?
I am not certain as to what I will do as it will all depend upon the tenant's response to my e-mail and what he does after that. There is not one attorney who would advise me not to evict him, especially because he has been playing me for a fool for almost nine years. Enough is enough. I should evict him but I probably won't do it right away. Fool that I am I will probably give him another chance.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If you want to evict him, why would you make threads like this and moan about the idea of evicting him?
I started the thread for the reason I said in the OP:

"I have an urgent problem with a tenant that has to be dealt with right away. I know what I need to do but I am open to any suggestions or moral support anyone might be able to offer."

What I need to do is e-mail the tenant and tell him he owes me rent for September and October and I expect to get that money as well as rent for all months he remains in the house after that. What I decide to do will depend upon his response to my e-mail and what he does after that.

I do not want to evict him but I might have to. I should evict him but I probably won't do it right away. Fool that I am I will probably give him another chance, but he has been doing this for nine years so I should not give him another chance.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
Show me anything I said that indicates that I am preoccupied with my tenant's moral choices or anything I said that indicates one of my duties to be that of teaching my tenant a lesson in how to act responsibly...

All I ever said is that I expect him to pay the rent and if he cannot pay the rent or chooses not to I cannot allow him to remain in my house living for free.

The government paid $18,000 for that tenant so he would not be liable for it. I am the one who applied for the rental assistance and followed up on it. He should be grateful that the government paid all that money. He is on a contract that says he has to pay rent. He should pay the rent from here on in because that is the law... ever heard of laws?

I am entitled to the rent monies because he signed a rental contract and the law says he has to pay the rent or be evicted. Where have you been living, in a cave?

Give me one good reason why I should not expect what I am entitled to. When people cannot give me a reason that is a dead giveaway that there is no reason that makes any rational sense.

Why do you think it is just and fair that the tenant lives in the house for free? Please answer my question directly instead of obfuscating.

I am not certain as to what I will do as it will all depend upon the tenant's response to my e-mail and what he does after that. There is not one attorney who would advise me not to evict him, especially because he has been playing me for a fool for almost nine years. Enough is enough. I should evict him but I probably won't do it right away. Fool that I am I will probably give him another chance.


Like I said Trailblazer, you don’t have a problem. You feel you know what you should do; now, just do it.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I will do it. The problem is what will happen after that...

Nine years, and you don't think I know his pattern of behavior?

You are in a tough spot. Before covid, evictions could take 1 to 5 months.
With covid it may be tougher. Not to mention how will they treat the place once eviction has been started.
I wish you the best.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You are in a tough spot. Before covid, evictions could take 1 to 5 months.
With covid it may be tougher. Not to mention how will they treat the place once eviction has been started.
I wish you the best.
I do not think that I will be evicting him because I think he can get the money, but the only way I will get the money is if I make it clear that I am not going to play this game anymore...

Once many years ago he owed me $11,000 and I finally threatened him with legal action... After that most of the money he owed me magically appeared in my mailbox within two months in installments of $5000 each.
 
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