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Turkey to expel U.S. envoy and nine others, Erdogan says

Stevicus

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Turkey to expel U.S. envoy and nine others, Erdogan says | Reuters

ISTANBUL, Oct 23 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that he had told his foreign ministry to expel the ambassadors of the United States and nine other Western countries for demanding the release of philanthropist Osman Kavala.

Seven of the ambassadors represent Turkey's NATO allies and the expulsions, if carried out, would open the deepest rift with the West in Erdogan's 19 years in power.

Kavala, a contributor to numerous civil society groups, has been in prison for four years, charged with financing nationwide protests in 2013 and with involvement in a failed coup in 2016. He has remained in detention while his latest trial continues, and denies the charges.

In a joint statement on Oct. 18, the ambassadors of Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand and the United States called for a just and speedy resolution to Kavala's case, and for his "urgent release". They were summoned by the foreign ministry, which called the statement irresponsible.

"I gave the necessary order to our foreign minister and said what must be done: These 10 ambassadors must be declared persona non grata (undesirable) at once. You will sort it out immediately," Erdogan said in a speech in the northwestern city of Eskisehir.

"They will know and understand Turkey. The day they do not know and understand Turkey, they will leave," he said to cheers from the crowd.

The U.S. and French embassies and the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment. A U.S. State Department spokesperson said it was aware of the reports and was seeking clarity from the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Erdogan has said previously that he plans to meet U.S. President Joe Biden at a summit of the Group of 20 (G20) major economies in Rome next weekend. read more


One diplomatic source said de-escalation was possible given Turkey has now made its stance very clear, and given the potential diplomatic fallout from such a move ahead of the G20 summit and the U.N. climate summit in Glasgow starting at the end of the month.

"No instructions have been given to embassies," the source said, adding that it was possible a decision may be taken at Turkey's cabinet meeting on Monday.


Norway said its embassy had not received any notification from Turkish authorities.

"Our ambassador has not done anything that warrants an expulsion," said the ministry's chief spokesperson, Trude Maaseide, adding that Turkey was well aware of Norway's views.


"We will continue to call on Turkey to comply with democratic standards and the rule of law to which the country committed itself under the European Human Rights Convention," Maaseide said.

New Zealand's foreign ministry said on Sunday it would not comment until it hears "anything formally through official channels," and added in an e-mailed statement that "New Zealand values its relationship with Turkey."


'AUTHORITARIAN DRIFT'

Kavala was acquitted last year of charges related to the 2013 protests, but the ruling was overturned this year and combined with charges related to the coup attempt. read more


Rights groups say his case is emblematic of a crackdown on dissent under Erdogan.

Six of the countries involved are EU members, including Germany and France. European Parliament President David Sassoli tweeted: "The expulsion of ten ambassadors is a sign of the authoritarian drift of the Turkish government. We will not be intimidated. Freedom for Osman Kavala."


Danish Foreign Minister Jeppe Kofod said his ministry had not received any official notification, but was in contact with its friends and allies.

"We will continue to guard our common values and principles, as also expressed in the joint declaration," he said in a statement.


A source at the German Foreign Ministry also said the 10 countries were consulting with one another.

Kavala said on Friday he would no longer attend his trial as a fair hearing was impossible after recent comments by Erdogan.

Erdogan was quoted on Thursday as saying the ambassadors in question would not release "bandits, murderers and terrorists" in their own countries.

The European Court of Human Rights called for Kavala's immediate release two years ago, saying there was no reasonable suspicion that he had committed an offence, and finding that his detention had been intended to silence him. read more

It issued a similar ruling this year in the case of Selahattin Demirtas, former head of the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP), who has been held in jail for nearly five years.

The Council of Europe, which oversees the implementation of ECHR decisions, has said it will begin infringement proceedings against Turkey if Kavala is not released.

The next hearing in Kavala's trial is on Nov. 26.

Another says that Erdogan's political opponents are saying this is a way of distracting from the country's economic woes: Erdogan's critics say demand for expulsions is distraction from economy woes | Reuters
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Geographical position and Vision of the world are the exact same thing as for Turkey.

It is a country that is Asia, geographically but historically, feels drawn to Europe.
It is like it is stuck between the Middle East that wants Turkey to be worthy of its glorious (and authoritative) past and Europe that is light years away from it, as for freedom of speech, freedom of the press and so on, who hopes to "convert" Turkey to the European vision of the world.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Geographical position and Vision of the world are the exact same thing as for Turkey.

It is a country that is Asia, geographically but historically, feels drawn to Europe.
It is like it is stuck between the Middle East that wants Turkey to be worthy of its glorious (and authoritative) past and Europe that is light years away from it, as for freedom of speech, freedom of the press and so on, who hopes to "convert" Turkey to the European vision of the world.

Turkey is also profoundly divided when it comes to region. Istanbul is a rich European (geographically) city with a fairly liberal political center, often opposed to Erdogan conservative rule. The Easternmost part, is the Kurdish region of Turkey with long ambition of either independence or greater autonomy and at least the ambition to have repression and forced assimilation stopped. It's also very Left wing politically and socially. The center of the Anatolian plateau, where Ankara is situated, is Erdogan power base and much more conservative. Turkey is a mosaic country despite its desire to be built along a nation-State line like European nations. Erdogan also want to position Turkey as a great Muslim nation like his partially mythologized view of the Ottoman Empire.

I do tend to agree with the opposition in this case. Erdogan seems like a politician mostly interested in his personal power above all. He is not above using authoritarian scare tactics and violence to distract or impede the opposition. That man is one vicious and corrupt politician; worst in my opinion than Putin, yet he flies more often under the radar.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Turkey is also profoundly divided when it comes to region. Istanbul is a rich European (geographically) city with a fairly liberal political center, often opposed to Erdogan conservative rule. The Easternmost part, is the Kurdish region of Turkey with long ambition of either independence or greater autonomy and at least the ambition to have repression and forced assimilation stopped. It's also very Left wing politically and socially. The center of the Anatolian plateau, where Ankara is situated, is Erdogan power base and much more conservative. Turkey is a mosaic country despite its desire to be built along a nation-State line like European nations. Erdogan also want to position Turkey as a great Muslim nation like his partially mythologized view of the Ottoman Empire.

I do tend to agree with the opposition in this case. Erdogan seems like a politician mostly interested in his personal power above all. He is not above using authoritarian scare tactics and violence to distract or impede the opposition. That man is one vicious and corrupt politician; worst in my opinion than Putin, yet he flies more often under the radar.

I will not judge a country which I have never analyzed or studied.
It is a huge country compared to the average European country. Filled with contrasts.
There can be economic cooperation.
But political union is not doable, for so mamy reasons.
 

Stevicus

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Geographical position and Vision of the world are the exact same thing as for Turkey.

It is a country that is Asia, geographically but historically, feels drawn to Europe.
It is like it is stuck between the Middle East that wants Turkey to be worthy of its glorious (and authoritative) past and Europe that is light years away from it, as for freedom of speech, freedom of the press and so on, who hopes to "convert" Turkey to the European vision of the world.

It's hard to predict what direction they'll take if they alienate themselves from NATO more and more. Historically, the regions which were once part of the old Ottoman Empire don't have very fond memories of Turkish rule, and Russia and Turkey have been ancient enemies for centuries.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Why does Turkey want to join the EU?
For the economic benefits, as far as I can tell; though at this point I don't think either side is particularly interested in that any longer, and seems to be keeping the process in indefinite limbo to safe face.
 
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