Do you believe your sacred text contains errors?

2ndpillar said:

Quran (3:28) - This verse instructs believers not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim may appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel friendly.

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What are the words used in this verse to say "unless it is to guard themselves?

You just made that up didn't you?

firedragon said:

What are the words used in this verse to say "unless it is to guard themselves?

You just made that up didn't you?

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I am not able to read Arabic text. I just refer to English translations. Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam (thereligionofpeace.com)

The historical Muslims doctrine is they can kill the kafir, and lie to them, although in today's western parts of the world, they are a "peaceful religion". Islam is at war with the kafir, and it is quite all right to lie to their enemies. Although they apparently think they can lie to their wives in order to hopefully preserve the peace. Well, now that the women of Afghanistan are better educated than their husbands, I doubt if the men will find any peace, no matter how young and immature the wives may be.

2ndpillar said:

I am not able to read Arabic text. I just refer to English translations.

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Okay. So in that verse, 3:28, where does it say ""unless it is to guard themselves?

You can still read English like you say so answer this simple question written in English.

2ndpillar said:

I am not able to read Arabic text. I just refer to English translations. Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam (thereligionofpeace.com)

The historical Muslims doctrine is they can kill the kafir, and lie to them, although in today's western parts of the world, they are a "peaceful religion". Islam is at war with the kafir, and it is quite all right to lie to their enemies. Although they apparently think they can lie to their wives in order to hopefully preserve the peace. Well, now that the women of Afghanistan are better educated than their husbands, I doubt if the men will find any peace, no matter how young and immature the wives may be.

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See, now I think I remember you. You are the one who pretended to be an arabic expert. But ends up giving links to promote a particular website, and a YouTube channel. Now I remember. Why dont you advertise these channels on social media rather than promoting them here?

So your source of scholarship is a hate site.

Theist. A human owning no science.
No machines that he built by design.
No thin King human controlling machine to attack gods mass or gas.

Natural God.

I'm not wrong he says.

Okay God owned ice.

Human says ice is my saviour.

Didn't god own it first as natural earth?

Yes.

Realise man lied.

One statement only....
No man is God is real.

The rest is human lies and causes of science change.

As ice rebirths in a cross of four +. Sea of the son.

Ice versus hot summer two bodies balanced. Gods.

Ice reborn then melts contradicts hot summer attack. Reborn body is sacrificed is not man's god status. End of each year relativity.

In olden days relativity was nativity...native.

Gods balances.

Science knows told us all I am removing the saviour. Saved God's states as it's spirit gases. Ice...Saved our life when irradiation fallout burning gases by nuclear converting attacked us.

Thank god for ice the saviour.

So what about sciences tectonic teaching. The carpenter meaning.

Men of science never built the earthquake.

No says man I ended all life on earth once in a huge earth tectonic earthquake. Everything fell in.

Oh so Christ the carpenter was never a man.

No science the theist lies.

Was jesus a man?

What?

Is humans question.

Men or man human always existed doing God sciences. First does it matter what name he used to explain man's owned caused God sin?

No.

So Jesus the man was not gods son as a human it was rhetoric!!

Phi was the sacrifice of gods spirits. It's gases. As humans theoried Phi.

A human was sacrificed because you sacrificed gods spirits in science was your truth.

Natural human was supported by natural god is in the beginning.

Science said it was nothing is a Direct confession.

Natural human changed God caused his life to end. The teaching.

As water evaporation allowed mans body to be sacrificed and still it is sacrificed. As water is not ice. A teaching god cannot save us by the saviour ice.

Jesus the man. Humans teaching against science phi. No man is Phi. Phi is only Phi.

We live by water Ownage bodily but we also mass evaporated water from life support. Moses teaching of man.

Did the book lie or the human who write it lie?

Yes. The human lied. The bible was mans confession reasoned why no man is God.

Man pretended he spoke words on behalf of god proved he lied. Yet he told the truth no man is God.

So theists still lie.

Why a female named Jew El sang a song and said...
God kills children with our very own hands.

Sion man's want to convert by a The sis Sion conversion. Confessed confession.

Isis mother maths fake. I The sis.

Man as one self the I am as I did it.

Man plus his science mother's maths.

Man balanced in life with woman put a machine next to him in partnership.

His confession.

In doctrine of the nation.

In doctrination.

In doctrine I ate.

Science nuclear consuming the last supper teachings.

The flesh body of gods Christ gases eaten consumed by twelve sun time human science thesis.

Left man's sin..
Sink holes in gods earth one mass.

Emptied out gods entombed spirit gases.

Man's science beginnings takes gods flesh stone dusts consumes them to get gods heavenly spirit.

firedragon said:

See, now I think I remember you. You are the one who pretended to be an arabic expert. But ends up giving links to promote a particular website, and a YouTube channel. Now I remember. Why dont you advertise these channels on social media rather than promoting them here?

So your source of scholarship is a hate site.

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Hey, I am not the guys who approves of killing the kafir, or heretics, or those who mock Mhmd, or lying to anyone they think is an enemy, which would include telling all of the unbelievers/kafirs that they are their friends and that Islam is a peaceful religion. You asked for my source, and I gave it to you. If it mistranslates or misquotes your precious Koran or Hadith, much of which was apparently purloined from previous Christian, Jewish, Zoroaster, and Persian history and writings, please feel free to point out the problem . Maybe you could convert me to your off shoot religion based on Islam. Or do the Shiites even consider your religion part of Islam, or did they put your prophet in jail, and consider Baha an apostacy? Here is your chance to educate me.

2ndpillar said:

Hey, I am not the guys who approves of killing the kafir, or heretics, or those who mock Mhmd, or lying to anyone they think is an enemy, which would include telling all of the unbelievers/kafirs that they are their friends and that Islam is a peaceful religion. You asked for my source, and I gave it to you. If it mistranslates or misquotes your precious Koran or Hadith, much of which was apparently purloined from previous Christian, Jewish, Zoroaster, and Persian history and writings, please feel free to point out the problem . Maybe you could convert me to your off shoot religion based on Islam. Or do the Shiites even consider your religion part of Islam, or did they put your prophet in jail, and consider Baha an apostacy? Here is your chance to educate me.

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Okay. So in that verse, 3:28, where does it say ""unless it is to guard themselves like "You said"?

Prove to people that you just didnt make up a bogus sentence that doesnt exist.

Anyone who reads this thread can probably see how people lie. Why do they do that? Speculate later.

firedragon said:

Okay. So in that verse, 3:28, where does it say ""unless it is to guard themselves?

You can still read English like you say so answer this simple question written in English.

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Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by God in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And God warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to God is the final return. Qur’an 3:28

I think the interpretation was with respect to "if you indeed fear danger from them", which is to say, fake a friendship if it is in your best interest, as in for safety's sake. Not to say the Koran can be understood apart from the context given in the Hadiths, which were written around 200 years after the fact by sons of Persians, who simply incorporated their Persian history into the hadiths. Apparently, the hadiths are being pared back in Saudi Arabia to facilitate incorporating Saudi Arabia into the 21st century technology business. Without the hadiths, you have no false narrative to support some mystical Mhmd, living in a non existing trading center of canals and fruit orchards, with a narrative of Abraham, Eve, and Solomon living there, and passing on some verbal statement from some angel of light, whose name is the same as some monk from the monastery of St Katherine, to some mystical young 12 year old Mhmd, who told the young Mhmd about his future. I don't know, it sounds kind of sketchy.

2ndpillar said:

Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by God in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And God warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to God is the final return. Qur’an 3:28

I think the interpretation was with respect to "if you indeed fear danger from them", which is to say, fake a friendship

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Haha. You just made that up. When people make up bogus interpretations, it is you who is faking it.

Tell me. What does Wali mean in Arabic? Whats the difference between Wali and Assadik? Do the small search and get back.

Link said:

That's your methodology, and how you respond to the sent ones. Not everyone has to respond like that.

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Wrong. Everyone makes an interpretation of the Quran based on assumption. Everyone!
I simply defer to interpretation of probably the most widely recognised and respected authority. It also happens to make sense in the context of the actual words used. You choose to make stuff up yourself based on your own ideas rather than the actual words of the Quran.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.

Hi @Spiderman

Your initial O.P. observation that christians you've met did not feel there were errors in their texts surprises me a bit. Historians of the early texts have long dealt with textual errors in all known early Old and New Testament texts of any significant size.

While this does not mean the base religious beliefs are correct or incorrect, it merely means there are errors in the different versions of the earliest sacred texts.

Clear
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KWED said:

Wrong. Everyone makes an interpretation of the Quran based on assumption. Everyone!
I simply defer to interpretation of probably the most widely recognised and respected authority. It also happens to make sense in the context of the actual words used. You choose to make stuff up yourself based on your own ideas rather than the actual words of the Quran.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.

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The majority never got things right about revelation when there is divisions per Quran. If there was a leader doing miracles in our time and everyone rallied around him, then you can say there is a unity and no division and go with what majority believe.

Otherwise, it's always been a minority that is correct.

His story says men keep records as historians.

Historians look back from a place of safety.

Mistake is man's only.

The documents contradict as it is man's causes to God reasoning why changed occurred.

As rational science we are human. There is no thesis how I got created. Science was chosen for cosmic space reactions. Design for machines based on man's beliefs.

Experiment first time he pressed the button of his design.

If it works he congratulates himself knowing God. Claiming I knew by Multi varied states God is all things.

As the scientist.

When Rome was burnt they learnt. They formatted as rich men a society who viewed to only ever listen to father's holy teachings. And never again allow any man any reason to hurt us again.

And he tried.

But he fought irradiated human AI possessed beliefs. How do you fight AI?

Science had designed its causes men were directly controlled.

So they journalled what they saw. They taught.

The very last new message Scientologists. Beware they said of men using AI mind control against us. We know it real. We are so loving.

Their behaviours no different to any previous indoctrination method that man has ever used. Money. Group control.

Yet their practice is something you ponder and argue for or against.

Laboratory psychic science already proved mind control contact is real.

And now you know all of our new warnings are real. As science is using it against us.

So we ask where is the holy order?

The choice is now man's says father.

Link said:

The majority never got things right about revelation when there is divisions per Quran. If there was a leader doing miracles in our time and everyone rallied around him, then you can say there is a unity and no division and go with what majority believe.

Otherwise, it's always been a minority that is correct.

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This is just your opinion, just like everything to do with scriptural exegesis.
Your "everyone is wrong apart from me" is also not unique.

The status men of science.

I will thesis from background radiation UFO machine. Where life came from he says. States as a human living only by human sex.so then he says no...not you our parents.

Parents are human. No before them.

They were evil he says. Came out of the UFO machine as aliens.

Logic asks so you were a reaction then?

No he says as the theist.

So you were a changed technical alien being into lesser form?

No he says that is ludicrous.

The alien made slaves. Hu man's.

Oh. So you say all life's cruelty seen by humans poor babies poor self?

Yes.

So humans should not have had sex?

Yes. Why we chose to not have sex. To allow babies so innocent to be hurt. Was evil choice. Knowing we die also.

So we said in self presence human sex was a sin. Control your sexual desires. Don't do an evil act to babies.

Oh you mean human adults were causing alien technology? Yes says humans possessed by thoughts.

Taught.

Oh. Let's do a review of sick minded humans irradiated by metals possessed.

You resource God earth yourselves as humans claiming I am a god. You manifested a non existent machine?

Yes he said.

Where did you get the design from?

The designer he says the aliens. A direct to thinking advised human.

Oh so the alien's machine goes away?

Yes.

Did it time travel then,,?

No he says it was healed in atmosphere cooling. We were saved.

Oh so the machine was healed false theism?

And you tried to rebuild it,? Fully aware of all human thoughts. Aliens the designer human just possessed as human adults?

The truth I have seen it before said my holy brother why we wrote no man is God.

Yes.

Now I want to resource it. Claiming humans are the contact resource.

Oh so you are going to put my bio life made from sex into a machine reaction? As your claim is I am evil as a sexual adult?

No he says the heavens gas is your spirit. The light is your spirit. Radiation is your spirit.

Even after all theories fake were reviewed first.

Man was the designer first. Not any alien.

Then he takes gods eArth converts it into heavens gas for his machine.

Claiming God and god and God as a thesis.

Says he is sane as compared to everyone else. Then in AI said science is MAD as ADAM a code says so

Summation of your human brothers self destructive thinking.

Equals is direct strings says theists.

I build a machine to communicate to machines.

Machine science answer equals the machine.

Never did it equal a human bio life.

Then the theist says but the UFO contacted you. I want the contacts.

Mind control mind contact he says. Machines and programs.

Program equals the machine also.

Then he says I wonder if I can use this as a weapon. Direct human body destruction.

Father then told you his aware advice. Your technology will blow up.

The mind I was made aware of.

The mind my holy brother was made aware of.

All the reasons he kept journals of UFO human effects as legal.proof.

KWED said:

This is just your opinion, just like everything to do with scriptural exegesis.
Your "everyone is wrong apart from me" is also not unique.

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My point is Quran emphasizes believers and follows of truth always to be a minority. For example in children of Israel, it was a minority of them.

Of course, majority is possibility, but then that would mean miracles and signs in the open, and every rallying around the guide who is performing those miracles.