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Present moment, does it exist?
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Pudding
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Present moment, does it exist?
Yes, present moment exists, but it's not fix instead it's fluid.
For example, if we set the boundary of the present moment precise to 1 second:
If present moment is 1:00:00 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:01 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:02 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:03 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:04 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:05 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:06 pm.
As show, present moment is moving as seconds gone by, it doesn't stay at a fix time.
When time arrive to 3:00:00 pm, we can say that present moment used to be EXISTED at 2:00:00 pm, CURRENT present moment CURRENTLY does not EXIST at 2:00:00 pm, CURRENT present moment EXIST at 3:00:00 pm.
1 second later at 1:00:01 pm, 1:00:00 pm is no longer the present moment.
At 1:00:01 pm, the present moment is 1:00:01 pm.
What's the problem?
Yes, present moment exists, but it's not fix instead it's fluid.
For example, if we set the boundary of the present moment precise to 1 second:
If present moment is 1:00:00 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:01 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:02 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:03 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:04 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:05 pm.
1 second later, the present moment is or move to 1:00:06 pm.
As show, present moment is moving as seconds gone by, it doesn't stay at a fix time.
For example, at 1:00:00 pm we can say that present moment has not yet exist at 2:00:00 pm. But when time arrive to 2:00:00 pm, present moment will exist at 2:00:00 pm.
When time arrive to 3:00:00 pm, we can say that present moment used to be EXISTED at 2:00:00 pm, CURRENT present moment CURRENTLY does not EXIST at 2:00:00 pm, CURRENT present moment EXIST at 3:00:00 pm.
Okay, for example if at 1:00:00 pm, you look at a clock and confirm 1:00:00 pm is the present moment.In the moment you start to think, "this is the present moment" it is no longer the moment you started to think it was
1 second later at 1:00:01 pm, 1:00:00 pm is no longer the present moment.
At 1:00:01 pm, the present moment is 1:00:01 pm.
What's the problem?
No.
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RestlessSoul
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10 to the power of - 43 seconds, according to the Planck scale. This is the minimum measure of time, which loop quantum gravity predicts is not continuous, but moves in elementary temporal leaps.
What is Planck length? What is Planck time?
I've gotten this answer a number of times over the years, and seems valid.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Underlined important (most people will miss that. Flow of time vs. jump of time.
); a small correction: '1 x 10 to the power of - 43 seconds', IMHO. So, effectively, there is no present moment, only past or future.Like @Pudding wisely said, depends on the parameters you give to the 'present moment', one sec., one min., 15 min., one hour, one year, one life-time. In Hinduism, the present moment is Kaliyuga, extends for 432,000 years.
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74x12
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Yes, it's transient and passing away. It's illusion. Don't hold on to time as it will slip through your fingers even faster that way. Live instead. Just live.Is it possible that the present moment does not exist?
In the moment you start to think, "this is the present moment" it is no longer the moment you started to think it was
Is "present moment" an illusion?
RestlessSoul
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Of course, no clock exists which can measure such a unit.
The postulation is that in the quantum universe time, like space, is granular therefore not infinitely reducible. Thus time is more than an abstraction, it has a quantifiable existence defined in relation to a single photon: whether a photon itself has a substantive material existence, or is an abstraction or metaphor, is another question.
RestlessSoul
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Underlined important (most people will miss that. Flow of time vs. jump of time.
Like @Pudding wisely said, depends on the parameters you give to the 'present moment', one sec., one min., 15 min., one hour, one year, one life-time. In Hinduism, the present moment is Kaliyuga, extends for 432,000 years.
If the difference between a moment and an eon is simply a matter of scale, then yes. But one would expect the parameters of a moment, even an expanded moment, to be defined in some manner by the speed of light. And light can travel a very long way in 432,000 years. To our eyes, anyway. Perhaps not to God's.
But....some say that light doesn't move, it resonates to the photons next to it,
and on and on...inactive photons, they're called ? I don't really know !
I see a lot more chalk dust on the floor back there, oh yes Planck or whatever.
Why do galaxies `float` in the cosmos ?
and on and on...inactive photons, they're called ? I don't really know !
I see a lot more chalk dust on the floor back there, oh yes Planck or whatever.
Why do galaxies `float` in the cosmos ?
RestlessSoul
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Light has both particle (photon) and wave functions, as all sub atomic phenomena do. But I can't tell you what light is. Perhaps @LegionOnomaMoi would be kind enough to summarise it's nature as succinctly as possible for us?
RestlessSoul
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In a lecture at a conference in Sicily the year before he died, John Stewart Bell asked a roomful of quantum physicists the question "What exactly qualifies some physical systems to play the role of measurer?"
This strikes me as one of the most philosophically profound questions anyone has ever asked. It's akin to asking "which way is up?" when floating in space.
And in his recent book Helgoland, Carlo Rovelli said "There is no fixed point, either methodological or philosophical, to which we can anchor the adventure of knowledge". I have probably misquoted him slightly, but that's the gist.
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Ahhh...the `observer`...We can't have an observer, that doesn't move also,
where in the Cosmos can we find such a point ?
and we're floating on photons, the whole Cosmos,
don't believe it, prove me wrong !
The in-active ones, can't be seen, but they're there !
I like to get out the box, now and then !
where in the Cosmos can we find such a point ?
and we're floating on photons, the whole Cosmos,
don't believe it, prove me wrong !
The in-active ones, can't be seen, but they're there !
I like to get out the box, now and then !
RestlessSoul
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If the universe is this infinitely complex web of causalities, a kaleidoscope in constant flux, well...what the bloody hell are we? Whose dream is this, and when will I wake up?
I awoke to find
the same chrysanthemum
I saw in my dream.
- Zen Haiku, can't remember the writer...
You can also remember the future.
By imagination only
~
I don't think we are ever exclusively in the present, either remembering the past or thinking of the future.