If the EU forced Italy to apply the Maastricht regulations..it is the EU who bothered Italy forcing her to do something. Not the other way around.
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Alitalia flight attendants strip to protest against their layoff
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If the EU forced Italy to apply the Maastricht regulations..it is the EU who bothered Italy forcing her to do something. Not the other way around.
My religion says that whoever chooses the god money at cost of people's poverty, is not worthy of God's light. I did not decide that.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Do you actually know that Italy is part of "the EU", and that when "the EU" decides on something, it's Italian ministers and Italian heads of government who influence those decisions?
Italy being a founder member has veto and could have said "no, not in our back yard". But it didn't, therefore i believe Italian government are the ones you should be griping at
exchemist
Veteran Member
Alitalia has been loss-making for 20 years (it last made a profit in 2002: Alitalia last turned a profit in 2002, and has been under state-controlled administration since May 2017 - Smart Aerospace News )
It is quite right that the EU does not allow indefinite state support to loss-making enterprises, since that distorts competition and allows overcapacity which make it harder for the well-run businesses to earn a return. It is economically illiterate to argue for indefinite state support to a loss-making business that competes with others.
Alitalia should have been wound up long ago.
Public transport that does not compete commercially (e.g. national and commuter rail systems) is another matter of course. But airlines compete commercially and so a level playing field is absolutely required.
Did I speak of foreigners only? Certain dragons are Italian.
Of course I included many Italians who made Maastricht, Lisboa possible.
Exactly. I was speaking of Italian people, mostly.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
But, crucially, no Italians who have worked as ministers to be part of EU decisions since then, such as Salvini.Did I speak of foreigners only? Certain dragons are Italian.
Of course I included many Italians who made Maastricht, Lisboa possible.
When Alitalia was controlled by the State, 70 years ago, the Italian State used to have a National Central Bank, and monetary sovereignty.
We are speaking of Maastricht. Salvini was a middle school guy when they planned Maastricht.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
The good old days, I travelled quite a bit in these years myself; that's gone now with "New Normal"
True.
With EU all the troubles started (all well planned even, sadly), and they are just beginning.
Within a few years we will have lost much more than "Alitalia"
No one gets away with such karma, but even those who knew and did nothing can blame themselves
It will be quite crowded in the afterlife with those who "did bad", as there are many playing along with their games
Note: devilish regulations here too, very fast Holland is going down, all "in name of Corona"; my guess ... within 1 or 2 years all freedom gone
Thank you @stvdv
When I say "the EU" I only mean the real powers, big banks, very powerful people.
I certainly do not mean European peoples like Belgians, French or Dutch who are wonderful.
@exchemist
I do understand your point, and thank you so much for this explanation.
Nevertheless...what is the solution?
These women want to work as flight attendants.
Back then the Italian State had the means to help them. But now with the Euros?
No.
Yet blaming the EU.
...which is made of certain Italians too.
And I am not speaking of the people.
I am speaking of powerful people.
Italy is part of the decision making clique. Italy had veto. Do not blame the EU fir Italy's errors.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
You mean the people who got voted into power by the Italian electorate, those people?
I just want to know this.
What is the purpose of stockpiling money at cost of others' poverty?
Money was not meant to be stockpiled by few.
It was meant to circulate as means.
If certain people (we know who) do anything to stockpile millions of euros, even by bribing politicians, in order to play monopoly with real assets as spoiled kids do.
And in the meantime companies close, people are fired. As result.
I wonder. All this money that they have been stockpiling, will they take it with them? To the afterlife?
No. I mean unelected people like the president of the Republic.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thank you for your friendly reply sister. I did understand you very well ... EU being the real powers (elite or whatever).Thank you @stvdv
When I say "the EU" I only mean the real powers, big banks, very powerful people.
I certainly do not mean European peoples like Belgians, French or Dutch who are wonderful.
Still, it's important that people understand that they should fight themselves against it, like in your video is shown by the crew of Alitalia, many people just let it all happen. I even understand they do nothing, because it seems impossible to reverse their plan, and they took away freedom of speech (censoring us), feeding us all the lies (even our Prime Minister has been lying so much, it's unbelievable), and much more
But maybe they are going too far now, and finally there will be more protests, and serious ones; to remove a thorn (violent leaders) you need a thorn (violence)
When people really start drowning they might start to fight against this demonic power trying to start their worldly dictatorship. Here in Holland I think we are getting close to that point, that people don't accept all this C-BS anymore. Well known important people speak out against it now. There still is hope, though my common sense tells me, that we can't escape their plans anymore. I hope I am wrong here.