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I Like Turtles

exchemist

exchemist

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SalixIncendium said:
What would qualify as evidence? My mere statement that I like turtles?
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No. But keeping turtles as pets, or multiple visits to aquariums where turtles swim, or a web history of looking up turtles videos, or holiday visits to beaches where turtles hatch their eggs, or other things such as these, would be evidence.
 
SalixIncendium

SalixIncendium

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exchemist said:
No. But keeping turtles as pets, or multiple visits to aquariums where turtles swim, or a web history of looking up turtles videos, or holiday visits to beaches where turtles hatch their eggs, or other things such as these, would be evidence.
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Yet I have none of these (save the video in post #10 likely being somewhere in my browser history). So no objective evidence exists.

I've had experiences stopping and moving turtles from roadways, but these experiences are unverifiable and I can't use them to prove my like for turtles.

Since there is no objective evidence of my like for turtles, does my like for turtles not exist?
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
SalixIncendium said:
Yet I have none of these (save the video in post #10 likely being somewhere in my browser history). So no objective evidence exists.

I've had experiences stopping and moving turtles from roadways, but these experiences are unverifiable and I can't use them to prove my like for turtles.

Since there is no objective evidence of my like for turtles, does my like for turtles not exist?
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No, there is just no evidence for it, apart from your say-so, which counts for something if you are known as generally truthful and reliable.
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
SalixIncendium said:
Yet I have none of these (save the video in post #10 likely being somewhere in my browser history). So no objective evidence exists.

I've had experiences stopping and moving turtles from roadways, but these experiences are unverifiable and I can't use them to prove my like for turtles.

Since there is no objective evidence of my like for turtles, does my like for turtles not exist?
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We could monitor your neurological activity and endorphin levels while interacting with turtles.
 
A Vestigial Mote

A Vestigial Mote

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SalixIncendium said:
I cannot prove I like turtles.

Does my like for turtles not exist?
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Your claim that you like turtles is extremely ordinary, and has no bearing on my life or livelihood. Therefore I am perfectly willing to tentatively accept that you like turtles as a belief of my own - whether or not your like for turtles has outwardly palpable existence. And this idea would hold until it is evidenced/demonstrated to be otherwise.

Obviously, there are claims that are not this ordinary, and for which people would claim an effect on my life/livelihood. Obviously it's going to take a bit more convincing for me to accept something life-changing which (like your like for turtles) provides no outward method for verification. Obviously. Otherwise, if I were to tell someone that I believe their wife is an alien hell-bent on destroying the world, they should act on that information as if it were entirely true, because they can take my word for it, right? That would be a ridiculous method of approaching the world. Just out-and-out terrible.
 
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firedragon

firedragon

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SalixIncendium said:
I cannot prove I like turtles.

Does my like for turtles not exist?
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Depends on the epistemology of the person you are speaking to.

If he is an empiricist, he cannot accept it, unless he also is a turtle lover and is a hypocrite without knowing he is. If he is a rationalist he will listen to your argument and reason it out.

They might think you are a liar because they are also liars. ;)
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Azrael Antilla said:
Of course it exists, as a thought in your mind. Assuming you're not lying or confusing Turtles with say Tortoises.
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Left Coast

Left Coast

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SalixIncendium said:
What would qualify as evidence? My mere statement that I like turtles?
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Someone who knows more about the neuroscience can fill in details, but I imagine that brain imaging could corroborate your statement.

Or more simply, we could hook you up to a lie detector.
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
SalixIncendium said:
I cannot prove I like turtles.

Does my like for turtles not exist?
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Why can't you prove whether or not that you like turtles? Very often others through observation, have realized a person's passion for something simply by that person's interaction with the object of their affection. When one sings or plays an instrument, does the audience not know whether or not the musician is simply playing in a mechanical manner, or out of love and enjoyment?
Would not your hypothetical turtle terrarium that is inhabited by several turtles, plus the turtle books on your coffee table, plus your photos of turtles throughout your house, plus your turtle tattoo, plus your ability to talk about turtles all day long, not prove your adoration of turtles?

In other words, if someone claims that they love someone but constantly mistreats them, it is safe to say that that person's love for the other does not exist.
 
sealchan

sealchan

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SalixIncendium said:
I cannot prove I like turtles.

Does my like for turtles not exist?
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A person's likes or dislikes are measurable. If you put someone in a situation where they would have to choose one thing vs another then you can obtain verification regarding that personal valuation.

Because liking (valuing) is on a scale you can establish its existence, and something of its relative intensity, in this way.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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SalixIncendium said:
I cannot prove I like turtles.

Does my like for turtles not exist?
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It's a subjective opinion, as long as that's all you're claiming I don't see the issue? I like turtles as well, but if someone insists the earth is balanced on the back of one, then I'm going to have ask them to demonstrate sufficient evidence for such claims.

Who doesn't like turtles?
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
SalixIncendium said:
What would qualify as evidence? My mere statement that I like turtles?
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Yes.

That, and your behavior towards turtles when in the proximity of turtles.
Although your behavior can be misleading and one might need more info. Like "how do you like them? what do you like about them?"

Because perhaps what you like about turtles is how they scream when they experience agonizing pain. If all the info you give is that you just "like them", then one might get the wrong impression upon seeing you torture those poor beasts.

My son loves lions. But if he would see one on the streets, he'ld run like hell... not walk up to it to cuddle it.
 
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