Subduction Zone
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You appear to echo his talking points.
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Protests Stopping People From Getting Vaccinated
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes.
Wildswanderer
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Maybe he's echoing mine because I hardly ever listen to him.
I believe it is recommended that you continue wearing your mask even if everyone is vaccinated.Bill to Protect Californians’ Rights to Get Vaccinated and Protects Freedom of Speech Passes Asm. Public Safety Committee
Bill to Protect Californians’ Rights to Get Vaccinated and Protects Freedom of Speech Passes Asm. Public Safety Committee
It seems that California had to pass a bill to prevent people from being harassed when going to get their Covid 19 shot.
Not that I'm a fan of mandates or extra laws but the simple fact that the sooner everyone gets vaccinated, the sooner I can stop wearing the damn mask.
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I'm not sure that is correct...
I believe California is 17th
U.S. COVID-19 case rate by state | Statista
Hmmm. Maybe things are moving around?
Fact Check: Does California have lowest COVID case rate of any state?
On the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website, there is a COVID data tracker which details levels of community transmission across the United States.
As of October 5, California was noted to have 70.6 new cases per 100,000 persons in the past 7 days.
This was the lowest of any state in the nation.
don't know... Statista dated it Oct 22... that is today.
We Never Know
No Slack
So its a requirement, not a law. That's how I see it.
As I noted it changes and earlier this month CA was #1 but slipped.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Nope. It's just a fact that masks help prevent transmission.
Unveiled Artist
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It's compliance whether for good or for bad. There's always two sides of the coin.
ecco
Veteran Member
Mandates are not the cause of people losing their jobs. Not taking the vaccine and thereby having a much higher risk of transmitting the disease (getting other people sick and killing them) and continuing the pandemic is.
You say you are against propaganda. Yet you have no problem spreading the anti-vaxx propaganda.
Yes, your side has made extensive use of propaganda to spread falsehoods about the pandemic and the vaccines.
Sadly you do not comprehend that your two sentences contradict each other.
People, including you and me, are not educated enough to make these kinds of decisions on their own. We have to listen to and understand scientific experts.
Unfortunately, you have repeatedly shown that you prefer to believe the utterings of the ignorant anti-vaxxers to the recommendations of those with actual education and knowledge.
ecco
Veteran Member
Yes, you mentioned companies and I posted the comment about Regan's drug testing policies, which you conveniently chose to ignore.
I highlighted the pertinent part in red to make it easier for you to see. I'll await your response.
ecco
Veteran Member
They may not be set-in-cement rules on RF, but an unwritten rule on all forums is that the person making a claim is the person responsible for supporting that claim.
That's in place to reduce the number of spurious, nonsensical comments like your second one above.
Of course, there are people who consistently ignore this rule. They are the people who like to make big assed assertions based on nonsense they heard and may actually believe. These people do not have a good reputation on forums.
If one can not post a reliable source for a claim, then one has already lost the argument.
They might as well precede every post with...
"It is my ignorant opinion that...".
ecco
Veteran Member
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yes, mandates are.
I don't know much about anti-vax propaganda until recently when I wanted to know what the US government, media, and provaxxers mean by misinformation and anti-vax propaganda. They sound like excuse justifications (as well as "vaccine hesitancy") to blame and/or explain why people don't want to take the vaccine. I guess it makes people feel better to have that justification. Beats dealing with the unknown.
But what you said is all opinion.
That's government and media nonesense. The majority of people are pro-vaxxers.
I'm not against (rather) letting people make their own healthcare choices-for example what meds they want to take for an illness, what treatments they want to have (for example do they want to take radiation or chemotherapy), and what vaccines they wish or not wish to take (for example, if someone wants to take the flu vaccine or not, COVID vaccine or not, doesn't matter).
I'm not against science. Science has gotten me through seizures. Seizure has gotten me through brain surgery. Science has sent finally the right doctors to prescribe the right meds.
Without science I would be dead.
To each his own.
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Wildswanderer
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Drug testing for illegal drugs is fine. I'm not seeing the connection.
ecco
Veteran Member
Yes, and the unvaccinated minority is getting smaller by the day due to dying from Covid.
"People" do not have the education and training to make those kinds of decisions. If you were born in America, you were probably vaccinated against polio with your parents' approval. Without the mandate to get vaccinated against polio they might never have gotten you vaccinated and you could be living in an iron lung.
You, like many other people are OK with science to a degree. When science conflicts with your other beliefs, science loses out.
You probably know more about the side effects from the covid vaccines (practically none) than you do about the side effects of your seizure meds. You take the seizure meds because of a risk vs benefit calculation. It's amazing that you cannot make the same calculation regarding the covid vacs.
ecco
Veteran Member
You were complaining about mandates. Yet you are OK with the mandates that require drug testing for many jobs.
You need to explain the glaring inconsistency.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No. They're getting smaller because people choose to vaccinate.
Yeah, they don't. Most take and don't take the vaccine based on the knowledge they have and the information they are given.
Unfortunately, I wasn't an adult to chose whether I wanted to take the vaccines or not. So, the argument is irrelevant.
Science about chemotherapy doesn't bother me but when they thought I may have had a tumor, that changed my thinking for a good couple of months. Science about COVID vaccines doesn't really bother me unless, of course, my life is in danger and may have no other choice. It's situational.
WOAH: You probably know more about the side effects from the covid vaccines (practically none) than you do about the side effects of your seizure meds.
Dude. You're totally making up stuff that is 100% false.
I've had seizures for over 20 years.
There are seizure meds my doctor AND I chose not to take/give me because of side effects and others he chose to give me because the side effects were low.
COVID vaccine isn't special in these regards of discerning what to take and not to take. Justify it if ye absolutely must, but the core of the matter is I choose not to take it.
Period.
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