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Teens in California mock anti maskers on video along with, "I love Communism".
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InChrist
Free4ever
If you believe the CDC is fully trustworthy and without ethical issues, I have to think you are naive. Collusion, as well as private and industry funding has been going on for a number of years and is only increasing.
“We are a group of scientists at CDC that are very concerned about the current state of ethics at our agency. It appears that our mission is being influenced and shaped by outside parties and rogue interests. It seems that our mission and Congressional intent for our agency is being circumvented by some of our leaders. What concerns us most, is that it is becoming the norm and not the rare exception. Some senior management officials at CDC are clearly aware and even condone these behaviors. Others see it and turn the other way. Some staff are intimidated and pressed to do things they know are not right. We have representatives from across the agency that witness this unacceptable behavior. It occurs at all levels and in all of our respective units. These questionable and unethical practices threaten to undermine our credibility and reputation as a trusted leader in public health. We would like to see high ethical standards and thoughtful, responsible management restored at CDC. We are asking that you do your part to help clean up this house!”
https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CDC_SPIDER_Letter-1.pdf
The CDC is not solely funded by taxpayer money as you appear to assume. At one time the CDC was an independent, taxpayer funded entity, but in 1983 Congress authorized the CDC to accept donations from industry and private parties. Then in the 1990’s passed legislation for the creation of a nonprofit foundation to encourage relationships between industry and the agency. Seven years ago, in 2014, the CDC Foundation raised $52 million, $12 million of that from the pharmaceutical industry. How much do you think it is today?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Incorrect, but thanks for playing.
You are sounding a bit like a sovereign citizen there. Some municipalities have abused them that way, but that is the exception rather than the rule.
That’s unique to America though. I’ve no doubt that your CDC is in cahoots with big pharma. I literally grew up watching “documentaries” about it. Although I might be thinking of your FDA now that I think of it. Apologies I’m not American.
It’s probably the FDA I’m thinking of.
Either way, my country isn’t. Neither is practically the rest of the world.
Vaccines are a preventative measure not medicine. If that makes sense?
A preventative measure would actually cost your Big Pharma money in the long run, if you really think about it. Preventing a disease isn’t the same as a stay in the hospital.
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ecco
Veteran Member
So, once again you've got nothing. I think I'm going to start a spreadsheet and record every time you (or others like you) make assertions and then completely fail to support them. Isn't it embarrassing for you?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The only one who has nothing is you (like others) simply because you (and others) always wear convienient blinders to whats obvious whenever something is presented. It's the tried and true analogy of monkey no see, monkey no say, monkey no hear.
Just to watch you deny deny deny the facts, here is a little something to gnaw on. For starters....
CDC Defunded by $300 Million for a Politically-Motivated Ad Campaign
It Turns Out CDC Employees Are Bankrolling Dems
Maybe I should start a spreadsheet myself just to see how many times you go into denial then complain nothing has substance when people give it to you.
Good idea.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I never have claimed that there are no pressures on the CDC, but that's generally true of any and every agency, or even private businesses-- there are ALWAYS going to be some pressures exerted on them. Thus, if we use your "thinking" on this, we should never put any amount of trust in any body or anyone at any time. I believe some trust is needed but that oversight is needed
The CDC has a strong reputation internationally, and that should tell you something. However, never would I or have I ever suggested that they walk on water and should be fully trusted.
If you want to bath yourself in the conspiracy theories of your choosing, that's your right. Jesus said we must "love one another as I have loved you". but your postion as an anti-masker is simply being pro-death because we know with certainty that they have saved lives and they continue to do so.
I am sick and tired of the misinformation nonsense being spewed by you and some others that is leading to more and more people dying, which is the opposite of being "pro-life". Whether you know it or not, you are being pro-death, and your conspiracy theories are both illogical and immoral under even the most basic Judeo-Christian teachings.
IOW, one does not "love one another" by taking the kind of care less position that you and many others are taking that is leading to more and more innocent people dying, sorry to say. Therefore, this is not a game to me because playing poltical games with people's lives is a blatantly immoral thing to do as Jesus taught.
InChrist
Free4ever
Thanks for your thoughts, though it is difficult to understand how one who is claiming to be on the moral high ground adhering to Jesus’ teaching, can be so vehement toward someone you don’t even know to the point of labeling me a “pro-death” “ anti-masker”. It’s just weird and kind of scary that anyone would react, blame, and judge in that way.
Especially since I don’t think I’ve made any posts about masks.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sorry about the anti-masking comment as I thought you said you were.
If you go through your last post, you actually might actually realize that you were quite insulting, so "pot, meet kettle".
I did not "judge" you, but what I did do was to point out that being against vaccine mandates is indeed pro-death whereas the scriptures say "choose life".
You might be bent out of shape because of what I posted, but being bent out of shape is far less severe than posting misinformation that we well know is killing more Americans with already over 700,000 dying from covid, a great many of which could have been prevented if everyone got at least one of the vaccines.
Again, let me strongly recommend that you "choose life".
InChrist
Free4ever
If you feel my previous post was insulting to you, then I apologize.
I am glad you do at least agree there is pressure on CDC their concerning decisions. I think we’ll just have to disagree about how much pressure and corruption is occurring. I’m not saying there are not sincere, committed individuals in government agencies like the CDC, FDA, etc., but as a whole I think compromise prevails for the sake of financial gain/pressure and job security or advancement. It was interesting recently that two FDA officials resigned at the same time.
What do you think about the Biden administration pushing the plan for boosters before FDA approval?
I think you should take a pause before calling me “pro-death”. Obviously, most people don’t come to their perspectives, views or decisions concerning the vaccines because they are pro-death. Certainly not me. I haven’t even come to my conclusions because I’m pro-freedom for bodily autonomy, though I consider that a valid argument. I am pro-health. I have researched the statistics and read story after story or watched numerous videos of people of all ages who are now severely injured or dead from the current vaccines. There are thousands and thousands of real people suffering. I have attempted to post links about this and/or information from concerned doctors, but since this information is contrary to the CDC’s narrative of “safe and effective” , such content is removed.
It would just be better if everyone had a little more compassion and respect for the health decisions of others. I think.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
If one ignores the clear science and opposes vaccines and masking just because of your own personal false beliefs and because it is uncomfortable then the label of "pro-death" applies.
There is no real science that opposes vaccination. What you can find are a few loons that do not do proper science that say what the antivaxerfs want to hear.
So are you pro-death or pro-life? If you claim to be pro-life then you have at least a duty to find out why some sources are wrong.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for this, and please pardon my directness that may come off as being overly harsh and/or judgemental.
Because of the emergency situations, I think it was a good move because the alternative would be worse. These vaccines have been tested and used with millions of people worldwide, and even though there are some people who have had adverse reactions, nevertheless they are FAR safer getting the vaccines according to the research. Thus, I go by the science, not the politics.
BTW, let me recommend getting a subscription to "Scientific American" as they generally have no less than two articles per issue lately on covid and/or the vaccines. It's about $80 per year but well worth it, imo.
But we are not hermits, thus we must think and be concrned about others as well. If everyone here in the States had taken one or more of the vacines, then covid would mostly be a thing of the past.
Anyhow, have a nice weekend as I'll be outta here shortly. Take care.
InChrist
Free4ever
I hope you had a nice weekend.
Science or politics aside, for those who have been severely injured or those who have lost loved ones to death from the vaccines, I doubt they are considered far safer.
True, we are not hermits, but even if everyone here in the States were vaccinated, as you say, do you think the virus could still be controlled or eradicated with thousands of untested and Covid infected immigrants being allowed to enter and transported to various cities throughout the country?
Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos
18 percent of migrant families leaving Border Patrol custody positive for Covid
Or given the fact that the vaccines do not prevent transmission. A recent study from the
European Journal of Epidemiology that analyzed 68 countries and 2,947 US counties found that higher vaccination rates were not associated with fewer COVID-19 cases...
“At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.”
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States - European Journal of Epidemiology
Besides, I think the science ultimately shows that it may be very unlikely that a corona-type virus will be eradicated.
Could COVID-19 ever be eradicated?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ditto.
There are 0 confirmed deaths from the vaccine even though some who got the vaccine died from other health issues or from covid itself: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has also released reporting using more recent VAERS data not yet available to the public. The data as of March 8 — by which point over 92 million doses had been administered — includes 1,637 reports of death following vaccination. After review, the CDC concluded that there was no evidence linking any of those deaths to the COVID-19 vaccines... -- What the government data says about COVID-19 vaccine side effects
"Nice" right-wing media talking point. The reality is that it's a scare-tactic, and logically getting the vaccine would still prevent people from dying from covid even if that were to be a problem.
They reduce it as the virus housed in one's nasal pharynx doesn't live as long if one has been vaccinated.
Which is more the reason to get the vaccine as boosters may be a yearly necessity for those who want to stay safe, much like with the flu shots my wife & I get every fall.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
To cover ones face with a mask during a viral pandemic is entirely reasonable. It will help reduce the chances of being a vector for the viral particles the infected will constantly shed. It is also reasonable to expect others to wear a face mask. In public areas and confined spaces. I do not believe individual rights or personal autonomy, take presidence over national security and public health issues. Those that refuse to comply, I would advocate for them to be legally sanctioned. They pose a health risk to other citizens, especially vulnerable ones. Anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists, I have no patience for. Such people are a danger to society and the national interest. If anyone here takes issue with all that, I really don't care. All that matters is reducing hospitalisations and deaths. Not your feelz or rightz.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Although I agree based on practicality, I will never give up freedom for a sense of safety and security.
As the saying goes, those that do, don't deserve either.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
Then you're a potential threat to society in this situation. No offence.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
I am not a walking biohazard though. I wear a mask outside and I've had both immunization injections and I frequently wash my hands with disinfectant gel. I do what I can to reduce the risk of infection and illness to myself and my community. As any responsible citizen would.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I do too. My second shot is due in next week but you don't give up your freedoms for it. It ought to stay elective, and I'm not worried about others because I did everything I need to do for myself.
Other people? Well that's their business. Not mine.