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Protests Stopping People From Getting Vaccinated

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Wrong again. At best you did not understand @ecco 's quote. Some of the mandates are definitely legal. That sort of mandate has been held up by the Supreme Court. Some may not be. There was nothing that supported your claim that they were invalid.
I specifically mentioned the mandate about companies. Look it up.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
By the way. "mandates are not laws" is a nice little mantra. But it is not strictly true. A mandate is the law of the land until it expirees or is found to be unconstitutional:

https://en.as.com/en/2021/09/10/latest_news/1631227244_232419.html

Is the vaccine mandate a law?
The federal vaccine mandate, although not passed by the US Congress, still carries the same legal requirement that it be followed and will be the law of the land until it expires, is canceled, revoked or is found unlawful by the courts. The US Constitution’s Second Amendment gives the President his authority to issue executive orders, along with additional Acts of Congress.

Executive orders, or directives, like laws passed by Legislatures can be called mandates and can have sunset clauses, taken off the books at a later date or be found unconstitutional by the courts and struck down.

In other words, until it is found unconstitutional, it is the law. By the way, the same applies to laws. If a law is found unconstitutional it too is no longer in effect. A mandate is more likely to be struck down since it does not have the full support of the Congress behind it, but that does not mean that it will be.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
No, you need to support your claims with valid sources.

Here is the way that it works, when you make a claim you need to be ready to find a reliable source that supports you. Failure to do so is all but an admission that you are wrong when challenged.
Those might be your rules, they aren't mine.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
No, he speaks for himself even if you're not willing to pay attention. He was pro-life and you're pro-death, thus I'm not your problem.

There are mandates in every single job of one type or another.
Actually supporting mandates is pro death and anti human rights.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Actually supporting mandates is pro death and anti human rights.
That's not even remotely logical. And if one is infecting others due to carelessness and not taking precautions through legal mandates, how is that being a "human right"? Are you next going to say that committing murder is your "human right" because there's mandates not to do that? After all, you're actually being pro-death, so where does that stop? Can you go 55 in a 25 because it's your "human right"?

By and large, most laws are "mandates" of one type or another, so have you forgotten everything that you must have been taught in civics classes going even back to elementary school?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Actually supporting mandates is pro death and anti human rights.
LOL! You really really really need to work on those logic skills.

You do not understand how vaccines save lives. You do not understand human rights. You have called even your claim to being a Christian into doubt since supporting vaccinations is the Christian thing to do.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
That's not even remotely logical. And if one is infecting others due to carelessness and not taking precautions through legal mandates, how is that being a "human right"? Are you next going to say that committing murder is your "human right" because there's mandates not to do that? After all, you're actually being pro-death, so where does that stop? Can you go 55 in a 25 because it's your "human right"?

By and large, most laws are "mandates" of one type or another, so have you forgotten everything that you must have been taught in civics classes going even back to elementary school?
We are talking about vaccine mandates, try to stay on topic. How many people have lost jobs and/ or thier lives to the mandates already? We will never know, because we aren't given that information.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
LOL! You really really really need to work on those logic skills.

You do not understand how vaccines save lives. You do not understand human rights. You have called even your claim to being a Christian into doubt since supporting vaccinations is the Christian thing to do.
How would you know what the Christian thing to do is?
Is it to force people to give up helping others in order to follow their beliefs?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We are talking about vaccine mandates, try to stay on topic. How many people have lost jobs and/ or thier lives to the mandates already? We will never know, because we aren't given that information.

One has no right put the lives of others at risk. No one has "lost a job due to mandates" if you are talking about people not getting vaccinated. They were given a clear choice. They in effect resigned.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
How would you know what the Christian thing to do is?
Is it to force people to give up helping others in order to follow their beliefs?

Because I was a Christian. Most atheists in the US were Christians. And most because atheists because they understand the Bible far better than the average Christian does.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
We are talking about vaccine mandates, try to stay on topic.
It is you who made blanket statements about mandates, not I.

How many people have lost jobs and/ or thier lives to the mandates already? We will never know, because we aren't given that information.
People lost their lives because of the vaccine and/or mask mandates??? And you really believe that even after you just said above that "we will never know"? You can't even keep your lies straight, but since Trump and the right-wing secular media are obviously your super-heros, what else should I expect.:shrug:

I've got better things to do.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
By the way. "mandates are not laws" is a nice little mantra. But it is not strictly true. A mandate is the law of the land until it expirees or is found to be unconstitutional:

https://en.as.com/en/2021/09/10/latest_news/1631227244_232419.html

Is the vaccine mandate a law?
The federal vaccine mandate, although not passed by the US Congress, still carries the same legal requirement that it be followed and will be the law of the land until it expires, is canceled, revoked or is found unlawful by the courts. The US Constitution’s Second Amendment gives the President his authority to issue executive orders, along with additional Acts of Congress.

Executive orders, or directives, like laws passed by Legislatures can be called mandates and can have sunset clauses, taken off the books at a later date or be found unconstitutional by the courts and struck down.

In other words, until it is found unconstitutional, it is the law. By the way, the same applies to laws. If a law is found unconstitutional it too is no longer in effect. A mandate is more likely to be struck down since it does not have the full support of the Congress behind it, but that does not mean that it will be.

I see a mandate more as a requiement, not a law.
To work at a certain place the vaccine is a requirement, meaning you don't have to take it but you can't work here if you don't.

Companies are being mandated to have employees(if over a certain number) vaccinated, if not its a fine. Which again to me its more of a requirement than a law.

Not taking the vaccine and not having employees vaccinated isn't illegal, its simply goes agaist a requirement of whats deemed safe.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
People lost their lives because of the vaccine and/or mask mandates??? And you really believe that even after you just said above that "we will never know"? You can't even keep your lies straight, but since Trump and the right-wing secular media are obviously your super-heros, what else should I expect.:shrug:
Why do you always bring Trump into everything? I don't even like the guy.
Weird.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
That largely depends on which body issued it and which procedure was used. [sorry to be a pain in da arse :(]

Ok. So Biden put out a mandate saying all federal employees must be vaccinated.

In reality they can either take the vaccine or lose their job. In other words the vaccine is a requirement to work for the federal government.
 
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