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Brian2

Veteran Member
I did a quick search and only Libbet seemed relevant. The one in the middle of you list is a philosopher and the last one didn't seem relevant.

Okay, we can't see free will. So any claim made in the name of science rests on interpretations, which rests on assumptions.

As for causal, that is the typical one. How can a physical world cause free will?

There are a number of things that it is hard to accept that a physical world can cause. Consciousness is one of them.
Some say that consciousness is an illusion and so I imagine they also say that free will is an illusion.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
There are a number of things that it is hard to accept that a physical world can cause. Consciousness is one of them.
Some say that consciousness is an illusion and so I imagine they also say that free will is an illusion.

Well, I been through that everything is an illusion. It doesn't frighten me anymore, so if we play that then everything is an illusion, which none the less appears to work. :)

But yes, "I" and free will are illusion, that work, if you believe in them.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Then what's the purpose of science, what are they finding ?

Unlike a lot of religious people, scientists don't pretend to know what they don't know. I would say that understanding "free will" is still a long way from being well known by science.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Well, I been through that everything is an illusion. It doesn't frighten me anymore, so if we play that then everything is an illusion, which none the less appears to work. :)

But yes, "I" and free will are illusion, that work, if you believe in them.

It would be hard to find the truth if even that is an illusion.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
It would be hard to find the truth if even that is an illusion.

Well, truth is no different than God. There are different contradictory versions, so all can't be based on knowledge. The same with knowledge BTW. So as a skeptic I don't believe in God, truth or knowledge, because I don't need to do that.
Though in standard sense I am non-religious, all I have is faith and beliefs. I.e. what works for me and no! I am not a standard solipsist. :)
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Well, truth is no different than God. There are different contradictory versions, so all can't be based on knowledge. The same with knowledge BTW. So as a skeptic I don't believe in God, truth or knowledge, because I don't need to do that.
Though in standard sense I am non-religious, all I have is faith and beliefs. I.e. what works for me and no! I am not a standard solipsist. :)

Wouldn't it be better to believe in God, truth and knowledge while admitting that you don't know the specifics of any of them.
 
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