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Why Criticize the Rich?

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Don't the poor have a spiritual advantage over the rich?
Jesus said,
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Shouldn't we feel sorry for the 1% who have the hardest path of all to find God? Should we perhaps thank them, for keeping the rest of us poor and therefore closer to God?

Matthew 6:19–20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
 

Lain

Well-Known Member
Don't the poor have a spiritual advantage over the rich?
Jesus said,
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Shouldn't we feel sorry for the 1% who have the hardest path of all to find God? Should we perhaps thank them, for keeping the rest of us poor and therefore closer to God?

Matthew 6:19–20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

In my opinion: poverty not resented allows a person to practice many virtues the rich can not and particularly submit to God's will in all things, riches not grasped after are a gift from God (see Ecclesiastes) which allow the rich to practice virtues no poor person can.

As for how we should feel about this I have no idea.

As for criticizing, as far as I know only unjust rich people are ever criticized by God, in my opinion.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Don't the poor have a spiritual advantage over the rich?
Jesus said,
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Shouldn't we feel sorry for the 1% who have the hardest path of all to find God? Should we perhaps thank them, for keeping the rest of us poor and therefore closer to God?

Matthew 6:19–20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

Sometime i wonder if it is a lot deeper than just the 1%...

In Mark... relaying the same account, Jesus said, " Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them,Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"

You can be middle class and trust in riches. For that matter, IMV, you can be poor and covet the riches of a rich man because you "trust in riches"

Not arguing, just trying to go deeper.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Don't the poor have a spiritual advantage over the rich?
Jesus said,
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Shouldn't we feel sorry for the 1% who have the hardest path of all to find God? Should we perhaps thank them, for keeping the rest of us poor and therefore closer to God?

Matthew 6:19–20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
I think being rich, while not wrong in and of itself, becomes horribly wrong when it's surrounded by those poor and or disadvantaged who's labor made the wealthy what they are today with nothing or a pittance made in exchange for that labor.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Sometime i wonder if it is a lot deeper than just the 1%...

In Mark... relaying the same account, Jesus said, " Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them,Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"

You can be middle class and trust in riches. For that matter, IMV, you can be poor and covet the riches of a rich man because you "trust in riches"

Not arguing, just trying to go deeper.
Well money is essential for people to even survive. I don't see how a person can't trust in wealth if they want to survive with proper food and a roof over their head.

Can't live on philosophy and religion alone.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Sometime i wonder if it is a lot deeper than just the 1%...

In Mark... relaying the same account, Jesus said, " Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them,Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"

You can be middle class and trust in riches. For that matter, IMV, you can be poor and covet the riches of a rich man because you "trust in riches"

Not arguing, just trying to go deeper.

I think there is some merit in your points here.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Well money is essential for people to even survive. I don't see how a person can't trust in wealth if they want to survive with proper food and a roof over their head.

Can't live on philosophy and religion alone.
Good point about the essentialness of money to live and that isn't exactly what I was trying to say. I think that "trust" is more like the position of setting their hearts upon them, and placed their hope and happiness in them.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Well money is essential for people to even survive. I don't see how a person can't trust in wealth if they want to survive with proper food and a roof over their head.

Can't live on philosophy and religion alone.

I think it's fair for everyone to want economic security, regardless of their religious beliefs.
I was assuming @KenS meant more in an aspirational sense. A poor person might dream of being rich so their kids aren't hungry, so they can afford healthcare, so they can send their kids to uni, or whatever. Or a poor person might dream of being rich so they can rule over a fiefdom. The two seem different in a spiritual sense.

(Says the guys who doesn't actually believe in a literal spirit...lol. But I guess you know what I mean.)
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Don’t criticize the rich or the poor based on their pocketbooks. Only judge each by their actions. As it says, “’Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.“
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Rich is just a human experience forced upon natural family by man's group bullying

God riches were all inside the earth body only owned by God.

Which man knows is true.

We were never a poor man as God supplied all needs

We became a poor man when the Rich would not allow our share in gods garden.

Actually.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
For myself, it is more about the waste of resources, when so much of the wealth often goes on very frivolous experiences or artefacts - Middle Eastern countries? - and where it also separates us more. Given that crime tends to be related to disparities in income so often. I think it rather facile to put the anger many feel towards the rich as being jealousy, envy, inferiority, and such, although no doubt these are motives as to why some do feel so. And I think the lessening of any wealth gap would tend to produce more harmony.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
Don't the poor have a spiritual advantage over the rich?
Jesus said,
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Shouldn't we feel sorry for the 1% who have the hardest path of all to find God? Should we perhaps thank them, for keeping the rest of us poor and therefore closer to God?

Matthew 6:19–20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

Yes, I don't think we should criticize them because they are rich. We can criticize people who are greedy, selfish and otherwise unrighteous. And before that, it would be best to check that we are our self righteous.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Don't the poor have a spiritual advantage over the rich?
Jesus said,
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

Shouldn't we feel sorry for the 1% who have the hardest path of all to find God? Should we perhaps thank them, for keeping the rest of us poor and therefore closer to God?

Matthew 6:19–20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

I'll leave it to you imaginations on whether capitalism and slavery are morally equivalent. But here is what I'd say regarding slavery: ;)

No. Slaves should not pity their Slave owners. They are slaves because God doesn't exist or else doesn't care for them to be free. God may even be on the side of the slave owners and certainly slave owners will use God to justify the perpetration of slavery as the "will of god" or as "natural law".

In the case of African Americans, the black slaves worship the same god as the white slave-owners. The Christian God is the god of the Southern slave owner, standing in defence of slavery as an institution and Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the Confederacy. And insisting that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth", the Slave-owners indoctrinated their African slaves in to Christianity to keep them in their chains, to make the obedient, to deny them their right to independent thought and therefore their capacity for independent existence.

And so, as devout Christians, the slave owners will proclaim that "God is on the side of the Confederacy", your chains are "sacred" and the Union will be defeated for interfering in Slavery as God's commandment. This is the same as the Feudal Lords, Monarchs and Popes who proclaimed that Feudalism was God's will and that Serfs rebelling against their masters was a violation of God's laws. When the people rise up against their rulers, they rise up against God they claim protects that rule as well.

Now, Slaves may debate amongst themselves whether there is a moral ambiguity over the distinction between the "good" slave owners who treat their slaves well and the "bad" slave owners who treat their slaves badly. However slaves may be treated, the point of agreement must be that slavery itself is immoral and wrong and that, regardless of their intentions, designs or behaviour, the position of slave-owner must be abolished whoever holds it.

Obviously, god has not intervened to break their chains and has abandoned the slaves to their suffering and cruelty at the hands of their "masters". But, derived from the Southern's belief in Jesus and in God, slaves debate amongst themselves whether they shouldn't wait until the afterlife for a remedy. If they are not powerful enough to end slavery themselves, then perhaps they should wait for God to punish the slave owners on their behalf?

No. Their lives have value. It is a life that is worth fighting for, they deserve their freedom and it is better to die in the pursuit of freedom and to remain a slave and to be an object, to be mere property to be bought and sold and owned. They should resist and hasten the abolition of slavery, even in defiance of the will of God. If God defends and protects slave owners, this is a god that must be annihilated.

If it is fiction and indoctrination, "Christian love" is nothing more than the white slave owner telling their black slaves to "love" them as they whip them, kill them and force them to rape each other in the name of "good breeding". If Christ lived life believing in the "sins" of his oppressors and preaching "love" and "forgiveness" for them, only so he could die on the cross for the "sin" of inconveniencing the Romans.

When slaves are their own masters and are at liberty to determine their own fate, then they can debate the value of pity and whether the slave owners should be punished or rehabilitated in to society. But until then, hatred of oppression and of the oppressor is entirely justified. The love of life and the love of freedom commands it. If God hates life and hate's freedom and makes excuses for the oppressor, then he is not your god and is not in your side.
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Rich is just a human experience forced upon natural family by man's group bullying

God riches were all inside the earth body only owned by God.
Which man knows is true.

We were never a poor man as God supplied all needs
We became a poor man when the Rich would not allow our share in gods garden.
:cool:
Nicely said, I agree
 
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