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God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.

ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Katzpur said:
No, I haven't but I have seen two elderly people die. Pain and suffering are tragic, regardless of a person's age. I just don't think the fact that pain exists means that God is some kind of a sadist. I realize I'm not going to change your mind. I'm just stating my opinion.
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I am glad you have been spared, the suffering of a dying child is horrible to watch.

For those who say god created everything i will cite childhood leukemia, the mosquito, the marmot and more. If a god exists and created everything then he is responsible for such suffering, and if claims of its power are to be believed is capable of cleaning up his mess.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
ChristineM said:
I am glad you have been spared, the suffering of a dying child is horrible to watch.

For those who say god created everything i will cite childhood leukemia, the mosquito, the marmot and more. If a god exists and created everything then he is responsible for such suffering, and if claims of its power are to be believed is capable of cleaning up his mess.
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I can understand that point of view.
 
Q

QuestioningMind

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ElishaElijah said:
Because we are alive and live in an ordered Universe with universal laws all pointing to the Creator who can be known.
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ElishaElijah said:
Because we are alive and live in an ordered Universe with universal laws all pointing to the Creator who can be known.
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I agree, we live in an ordered universe with universal laws, none of which necessarily points to any sort of a creator. And if this alleged creator being can be known then please demonstrate as much.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Lain said:
I see. Well I do not really have such a division in my mind about divine laws, for as Pope Pius XI said: "And We remember saying that these manifold evils in the world were due to the fact that the majority of men had thrust Jesus Christ and his holy law out of their lives; that these had no place either in private affairs or in politics: and we said further, that as long as individuals and states refused to submit to the rule of our Savior, there would be no really hopeful prospect of a lasting peace among nations," and "since the Word of God, as consubstantial with the Father, has all things in common with him, and therefore has necessarily supreme and absolute dominion over all things created." It is my opinion that a divine law would not really be divine if it was just personal to me.

I also think that the Lord Jesus does not want people to just "hide the light under a bushel" so to speak, for He said: "all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the age."

All of this is just how I see things though.
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He was speaking in the context of a world where communism was viewed by the Vatican as perhaps the single biggest threat to man, and...frankly...this colored his dealings with fascist nations, in my view.
Sorry, I'll admit I haven't read the entirety of this thread (just this post stood out whilst I was trawling for something else entirely) so feel free to disregard if my thoughts here are tangential.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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QuestioningMind said:
I agree, we live in an ordered universe with universal laws, none of which necessarily points to any sort of a creator. And if this alleged creator being can be known then please demonstrate as much.
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This was my experience and how I came to know God when He delivered me.

“Fools, because of their transgression, And because of their iniquities, were afflicted. Their soul abhorred all manner of food, And they drew near to the gates of death. Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble, And He saved them out of their distresses. He sent His word and healed them, And delivered them from their destructions. Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness, And for His wonderful works to the children of men! Let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, And declare His works with rejoicing.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭107:17-22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
PureX said:
Whatever it was that you were referring to when you wrote the word "God" just now is the "real God" for you. And I think that's worth considering more carefully than you normally do.
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I've considered God with some care, I assure you.

And if {A}. God can't be found in the world external to the self, then {B}. God only exists within the self, as a concept or thing imagined.

On all the evidence so far not-{A}, therefore {B}.

No?
 
R

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The human natural versus the human theist unnatural thoughts. Natural human just accepts life and survived communing naturally.

Told us they the theist were wrong as they caused man's sin versus gods protection.

Human told realisation only.

Was never a thesis how God created my human life actually.

Humans irrationally apply a thesis I believe how.

Lied.

A long time ago pyramid Satanists combusted destroyed human and animal life as God supported first life.

Told us human brother a satanist sent us all into gods hell.

Hell in God earth is opened tectonic plates collapse and volcanic mass.

So he told us carpenter tectonic. Is what I built. I did it myself.

Human memory taught. First pyramid remembered.

Life status natural earth colder higher crystalline mass fusion. Humans and animals living safe naturally in one climate.

A human memory. The theist remembers that one climate human and animal life.

Afterwards he sent life into gods hell earth cooled. Known by archaeological evidence some human memories.

Dinosaurs then lived hotter in a one climate lived. Reactive history human science causes.

Man's confession I caused the giant life of the beast.

I know as a vision I received in a dinosaur period about life's attack. I wondered if intelligent science men existed. As the vision told me dinosaurs died because of human science.

Earth Inherited a human caused science conversion. Reaction ice.

Two memories in a human theist consciousness about a one of climate.

Both destroyed in history of gods earth.

Now he wrote a modern book that said four seasons as four bodies exist. Holy life. The new cross status holy four.

For one earth O God reasoning.

Human scientific satanic theism wants to reown one climate claiming scientific causes are not harmful.

Ice the saviour of gods body.

As ice newly born. Newly returned and yearly sacrificed melted never saved human life DNA. It only saved O gods earth form and spirits.

So you should be warned why one human being conscious is affected by human past life memories. And lies to themselves due to memory.

Why it was science studied how a humans DNA previously expressed gives direct advice to the new life.

As science knew what it needed to teach science. As science was always wrong.

Before you allow him to destroy life on earth again.

Why you said God did it.
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
ElishaElijah said:
This was my experience and how I came to know God when He delivered me.

“Fools, because of their transgression, And because of their iniquities, were afflicted. Their soul abhorred all manner of food, And they drew near to the gates of death. Then they cried out to the Lord in their trouble, And He saved them out of their distresses. He sent His word and healed them, And delivered them from their destructions. Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness, And for His wonderful works to the children of men! Let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, And declare His works with rejoicing.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭107:17-22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
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So some good things happened in your life and you decided to attribute it to some god entity that you can't otherwise demonstrate exists? Doesn't sound very convincing to me.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Stevicus said:
Possibly, although we're talking about something highly speculative, vague, and essentially without meaning in the physical world as it is around us. We don't really know what "it" is (or even if "it" exists), yet we call it "god" and just assume it's there? Why?
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Because in the second place one start searching answer to this question :)
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
AlexanderG said:
"I can imagine a thing G, which if it existed, could sufficiently explain objective fact X," is not evidence that G exists. It is one form of the logical fallacy called the argument from ignorance.
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Why do you think that its NOT your duty to search the objective ? :)
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
It Aint Necessarily So said:
Challenge what? An unevidenced, unargued claim with an undefined term? Such claims can be disregarded without rebuttal.

Furthermore, I don't mind that you believe whatever it is you mean, and have no motive to try to change your mind, even were that possible.

So no challenge for two reasons.
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Okay.
Just a question --why you even felt like replying this :handpointup:all to me ? :)
 
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