Why don't some meat eaters eat halal meat ?

I was told it's cruel but doesn't cutting the jugular and caratoid cause instant death ?

ronki23 said:

I was told it's cruel but doesn't cutting the jugular and caratoid cause instant death ?

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No, you have to bleed out; it's a quick death, but neither instant nor painless. Back in the Middle Ages though, it was the most humane method of slaughtering animals. Today, with more advanced techniques for instantaneous stunning (or slaughter) and more knowledge on animal behaviorism, we can do better, but ironically most often don't in an attempt to cut costs and entrenched traditions and methods.

If you are interested in question of ethics in slaughtering, I suggest you seek out videos, speeches and books by Temple Grandin. She's the world most renowned specialist in the domain.

epronovost said:

No, you have to bleed out; it's a quick death, but neither instant nor painless. Back in the Middle Ages though, it was the most humane method of slaughtering animals. Today, with more advanced techniques for instantaneous stunning (or slaughter) and more knowledge on animal behaviorism, we can do better, but ironically most often don't in an attempt to cut costs and entrenched traditions and methods.

If you are interested in question of ethics in slaughtering, I suggest you seek out videos, speeches and books by Temple Grandin. She's the world most renowned specialist in the domain.

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If its a quick death then what's the problem ? Nothing is instant except a decapitation and even that may not work straight away as the bone needs to be cut

ronki23 said:

If its a quick death then what's the problem ? Nothing is instant except a decapitation and even that may not work straight away as the bone needs to be cut

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Because there are much better ways; some methods are pretty much painless and much quicker than halal butchering.

epronovost said:

Because there are much better ways; some methods are pretty much painless and much quicker than halal butchering.

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Only "better" way would be to "not eat meat"

Letting the blood out, is done because blood contains all emotions of the animal at death (lots of fear, anger and hate due to being killed by someone). Spiritual aspirants don't need those

That's one reason why meat eaters usually are more violent and less compassionate than vegetarians

Note: Of course there are exceptions

In the past the UFO irradiation ground fall attack not only burnt the animal it also unnaturally killed animals and blood changed notified.

Humans were taught not to eat that meat. Of animals attacked.

Cattle proven phenomena body attacked science caused. In modern times also.

Why India forbade anymore cruelty to cattle as they knew they caused the attack in temple nuclear science history.

So they taught the cattle God was a holy life.

Was the original warning.

ronki23 said:

I was told it's cruel but doesn't cutting the jugular and caratoid cause instant death ?

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That is not true. I have seen videos of halal butchery and though quick it is far from instantaneous. That is why more and more countries are banning the process in Europe.

stvdv said:

Only "better" way would be to "not eat meat"

Letting the blood out, is done because blood contains all emotions of the animal at death (lots of fear, anger and hate due to being killed by someone). Spiritual aspirants don't need those

That's one reason why meat eaters usually are more violent and less compassionate than vegetarians

Note: Of course there are exceptions

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Ummm , no.

Though it would be interesting if you could provide valid evidence for that claim.

By the way, almost no one wants to put an animal through unnecessary pain when it is slaughtered. And moral rules often came originally from religious sources in more primitive cultures.. That is why we see laws for proper butchery in Judaism, Islam, and other religions. They all tend to want a minimal amount of suffering. Even with modern butchery mistakes do happen. But overall stunning appears to be less cruel than just cutting an animals throat and watching it thrash a bit. Most modern butchery involves a heavy stun that may often actually kill the animal right there and then cutting its throat. Blood is drained from pretty much all meat before it is butchered. Some kosher or halal butchers will try to claim that others do not get as much blood out, but one can see tht this is false rather easily. Though the heart will keep beating for a while there will still be a fair amount of blood in the animal after the heart stops. That is why the animal is hung head down. Whether standard, halal, kosher, what have you. It allows the blood naturally drain before cutting the animal up. Even more will drain in the various processes that are done to the carcass. For one religious group to claim that another's butchery leaves blood is just a bit of racist canard.

Subduction Zone said:

Ummm , no.

Though it would be interesting if you could provide valid evidence for that claim.

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I have valid evidence

Scientists want/desire/look for scientific proof. In this case there is Spiritual proof. I respect Atheists and won't even go there to try to explain this using Spirituality to an Atheist who rejects Spirituality to begin with.

I think the RF Rule is good, that I should not try to 'move believers (Atheists) away from their belief'

If I accidentally come across Scientific proof regarding this, I'll be able to answer your question in a way you like and can accept. Till then you better just reject my claim. That's fine with me of course

stvdv said:

I have valid evidence

Scientists want/desire/look for scientific proof. In this case there is Spiritual proof. I respect Atheists and won't even go there to try to explain this using Spirituality to an Atheist who rejects Spirituality to begin with.

I think the RF Rule is good, that I should not try to 'move believers (Atheists) away from their belief'

If I accidentally come across Scientific proof regarding this, I'll be able to answer your question in a way you like and can accept. Till then you better just reject my claim. That's fine with me of course

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Sorry but "spiritual truth" is pretty much an oxymoron. You are free to believe what you wish, but you will not convince many people this way. It would be better to focus on the negative impact of raising animals for meat on the environment. There is reliable objective evidence for that.

ronki23 said:

I was told it's cruel but doesn't cutting the jugular and caratoid cause instant death ?

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I do not eat meat because I see it as wrong to kill any animal

stvdv said:

That's one reason why meat eaters usually are more violent and less compassionate than vegetarians

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Citation please.

In the past human and animals were irradiated seen phenomena blood changed attacked. Cattle today attacked proof ground radiation causes.

We were eating meat.

We were taught the blood of the meat was tainted so it had to be bled out. Why the action was chosen.

When I first began to be spiritually taught father said one of his worst human moments was when we began to eat our own flesh.

As history said water mass microbe food in water mass. As we are mainly a water body gave us a life sustenance where eating or drinking was not necessary.

It was taken from us in man's nuclear science to create greater cloud amassing.

What I was taught.

I suppose one reason they wouldn’t choose halel might be because they want to eat pork or some other non permitted animal.

Shaul said:

I suppose one reason they wouldn’t choose halel might be because they want to eat pork or some other non permitted animal.

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Animals life body was inheriting parasitic invasion. As the microbial chemical bio balances no longer kept their life body blood holy.

Human medical warnings.