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God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.

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Lain

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mikkel_the_dane said:
As long as you keep the divine laws personal to you, just as I keep my religion personal to me, then okay.
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I see. Well I do not really have such a division in my mind about divine laws, for as Pope Pius XI said: "And We remember saying that these manifold evils in the world were due to the fact that the majority of men had thrust Jesus Christ and his holy law out of their lives; that these had no place either in private affairs or in politics: and we said further, that as long as individuals and states refused to submit to the rule of our Savior, there would be no really hopeful prospect of a lasting peace among nations," and "since the Word of God, as consubstantial with the Father, has all things in common with him, and therefore has necessarily supreme and absolute dominion over all things created." It is my opinion that a divine law would not really be divine if it was just personal to me.

I also think that the Lord Jesus does not want people to just "hide the light under a bushel" so to speak, for He said: "all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the age."

All of this is just how I see things though.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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chinu said:
in the first place.
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Possibly, although we're talking about something highly speculative, vague, and essentially without meaning in the physical world as it is around us. We don't really know what "it" is (or even if "it" exists), yet we call it "god" and just assume it's there? Why?
 
AlexanderG

AlexanderG

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chinu said:
Come on..
How will you challenge this statement ?
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I would point out that is is a meaningless, unfalsifiable claim with no evidence, just like any of the infinite other imaginary things we can say about the cause of everything.

"An eternal, uncaused, necessary, mindless pineapple with a nature and power sufficient to create everything we see is responsible for creating everything we see." Can you refute this statement, or offer any evidence for or against it? No, you can't, exactly as with your original statement. And I can come up with a thousand other statements of other things that caused everything we see, which are equally supported by no evidence and refuted by no evidence.

This exercise shows that your statement is solidly in the realm of imagination, is not in fact an explanation of anything, and is not reasonable to believe.

"I can imagine a thing G, which if it existed, could sufficiently explain objective fact X," is not evidence that G exists. It is one form of the logical fallacy called the argument from ignorance.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

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chinu said:
God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you. Come on.. How will you challenge this statement ?
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Challenge what? An unevidenced, unargued claim with an undefined term? Such claims can be disregarded without rebuttal.

Furthermore, I don't mind that you believe whatever it is you mean, and have no motive to try to change your mind, even were that possible.

So no challenge for two reasons.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
chinu said:
Come on..
How will you challenge this statement ?
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By saying creation doesn't exist. Everything around you was at onetime something else.
Therefore there is no need for creation, therefore no need for "God".
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Katzpur said:
Right. God should have just allowed everybody to live forever. Mean ol' God.
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  1. Why not? After all, that's supposed to be the plan for believers, according to many religions. Why should we have to believe often absurd, contradictory and baseless claims, die and get resurrected first?
  2. There's a whole lot of possibilities between everybody living forever and kids dying painful deaths with horrific deceases.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.

chinu said:
Come on..
How will you challenge this statement ?
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:D

You attribute "Creation" to God
No problem there
I agree

Foolish if I would challenge your statement:)
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Unfortunately ultimate explanations are a matter of belief. Humanity can only know the behaviour of what it observes, and create useful tools in the physical world for that behaviour.

But to say there are no intrinsic properties to a phenomenon is a guess at best. We can never know what something truly is, nor where it came from in any ultimate sense.

I have very few beliefs that I am certain of. The ones I am certain of cannot be explained in full.
Existence is a mystery and every explanation of its ultimate roots is a belief and not proven knowledge.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
ratiocinator said:
Why not? After all, that's supposed to be the plan for believers, according to many religions. Why should we have to believe often absurd, contradictory and baseless claims, die and get resurrected first?
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You don't have to believe a damn thing in order to get resurrected.
There's a whole lot of possibilities between everybody living forever and kids dying painful deaths with horrific deceases.
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And your suggestion would be what? Everybody dies in their sleep on the date of their choosing? Yeah, I guess that would be one option. Or maybe it should just work that way for "good people". "Bad people" should suffer long, painful deaths. And do we get to vote on who fits into which group. I've got a bunch of people on both lists.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
ChristineM said:
That's something of a straw man. I'm talking of a childs very painful death

Have you ever seen a child dying?
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No, I haven't but I have seen two elderly people die. Pain and suffering are tragic, regardless of a person's age. I just don't think the fact that pain exists means that God is some kind of a sadist. I realize I'm not going to change your mind. I'm just stating my opinion.
 
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PureX

PureX

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chinu said:
Come on..
How will you challenge this statement ?
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Even if it's true, what does it mean? What does it tell us about God or creation? Or ourselves?

That's my challenge: that it's essentially a meaningless proposition.
 
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PureX

PureX

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blü 2 said:
Describe a real god so I'll know if any real suspect is God or not. Do you have a photo?
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Whatever it was that you were referring to when you wrote the word "God" just now is the "real God" for you. And I think that's worth considering more carefully than you normally do.
 
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