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Have the end times arrived?

Trailblazer

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It came from God? I thought it was written by men, not the manifestation. It is written as if literal and historical, but it isn't. And it's not totally accurate or authentic? But it came from God? So God was in communication with the writers?
I go by what Baha'u'llah wrote about the Bible, that it was God's greatest testimony to His creatures:

“We have also heard a number of the foolish of the earth assert that the genuine text of the heavenly Gospel doth not exist amongst the Christians, that it hath ascended unto heaven. How grievously they have erred! How oblivious of the fact that such a statement imputeth the gravest injustice and tyranny to a gracious and loving Providence! “How could God, when once the Day-star of the beauty of Jesus had disappeared from the sight of His people, and ascended unto the fourth heaven, cause His holy Book, His most great testimony amongst His creatures, to disappear also?” The Kitáb-i-Íqán, p. 89

But that does not mean that the Bible is all literally true or all historically accurate.
But never mind all of that... It is what people did with the Bible that gives some people a very reason not believe in the Bible, in religion and God.
I can agree with that but I can see past what people did to the substance.

The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet.

...The Bahá'ís believe that God's Revelation is under His care and protection and that the essence, or essential elements, of what His Manifestations intended to convey has been recorded and preserved in Their Holy Books. However, as the sayings of the ancient Prophets were written down some time later, we cannot categorically state, as we do in the case of the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, that the words and phrases attributed to Them are Their exact words
(9 August 1984 to an individual believer)


The Bible: Extracts on the Old and New Testaments
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
All you have to do is read chapter 7. And why not ask a Jew. Ask them what the Hebrew words mean. Especially the word translated as "virgin" in the Septuagint and in KJV.
I am not going to ask a Jew because Jews are biased because they don't believe that ANY prophecies are about Jesus, when in fact many Old Testament prophecies are about Jesus.

I know what the Jews would say because they don't believe in Jesus. Even if it translated as young woman and not virgin that does not change anything because the verse could still be referring to Jesus since a young woman can also be a virgin.

Jewish translation of many chapters in the Hebrew Bible is far off base. For example they believe that the Prince of Peace was just some man who lived back when the scriptures were written, they cannot even see that it is about the Messiah. At least Christians believe that the Prince of Peace is the Messiah, even though they mistakenly believe it is Jesus, and it cannot be since Jesus did none of what it says in the verses. Below is the King James translation.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Below is the Jewish Bible. Even if you look at the Jewish Bible this has to be about the Messiah who was to come in the future, not just some man that lived in the past.


Isaiah 9:5 For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." 6 To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.


This prophecy fits Baha'u'llah perfectly. Baha'is believe that Baha’u’llah was the Prince of Peace because world peace will be established during His religious dispensation. Please note that the prophecy does not say when peace will be established, but where it says there shall be no end to the peace that indicates that it won't happen all at once but rather it will unfold gradually. The same is true for the government. It says that there shall be no end to the government which means it will begin and be established gradually and continue to develop over time. The government will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
If a hu man is practicing their God science naming it Satanism Sion to convert as conversion of Fu Sion into fission. Man takes the reaction and removes light energy.

Into remainders.

So it would be maths calculated.

As men of science claim they know what they are doing.

Sun as time was nuclear wisdom.

Gases burning light owner.

When gases burn up they just disappear don't they?

Now. Subject time and end owning calculations is imposed by human men who said 2012 was when the end of the 1000 or 1000 variable coming to earth would end.

Meaning science as men knew about something alight burning that would end by a timed calculation.

As God earth the stone mass is science and asteroid star hot burning or slow burning is also stone and from the sun. Men knew all about it.

Predicted the attack would end year 2012 but predicted it would be a cold end.

Instead it came 1900 as it had been heated saviour return and blasted Russia.

So the idea of the end and knowing is now defunct as you taught your own self to never use nuclear converting ever again.

Pretty basic I know everything human man science advice.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I know what the Jews would say because they don't believe in Jesus. Even if it translated as young woman and not virgin that does not change anything because the verse could still be referring to Jesus since a young woman can also be a virgin.
Did you read chapter 7? Just in case you haven't here's some of the verses before and after verse 14...
Isaiah 7:10 Moreover the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11 “Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God; ask it either in the depth or in the height above.”

12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!”

13 Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.​
Who is the sign for? King Ahaz. What is the sign? A young women/virgin will have a son. And what will this son do? Eat curds and honey. Then what? Before he knows to refuse evil and choose good, the two kings will be no longer be a threat.

How is that about Jesus? Only two gospels have the birth story, and only one, Matthew, uses Isaiah 7:14...
Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).​
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
When men are natural and humans.

Natural life. Natural living conditions is first.

Then you want to theory.

No one said you need to theory. Or we need you to theory. You chose to theory.

So you look back as theists do with healers biology medical telling you don't. It's evil thinking of human choice.

You are researching life destruction as you own where you are as an evolved life by evolving cooling above you reading. It is first historic natural.

Not...you or back in time by human sciences as A model.

Truth it is egotism and the destroyer mentality.

Now the man's ego said I burnt sacrificed our heavens. In the past. Where he is naturally it had been returned to say my info is real.

Egypt Moses. Pyramid temples destroyed. No science as it ended.

Mr know it all who caused it says to everyone in our future cooling by the saviour ice as ice melting ice returning will cool what I caused. We will be healed.

Told you all.

Does that review make your teacher holy?

No. Just an egotists man knowledge of what he caused as a human.

So in the future after the female humans ovary ova ovah heals by gods heavens spirit change inside her natural womb your lost man's DNA can be returned and reborn.

O the female human owned ova your baby cellular life. But god did not have sex a man of god teachings had sex rationally.

And back in olden times sex was a ceremony of coupling to get the healthiest holy baby. Due to radiation fallout.

As you used medical biolgical human wisdom.

Much like what nuclear science does today used all medical DNA bio human studies against us.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Did you read chapter 7? Just in case you haven't here's some of the verses before and after verse 14...
Isaiah 7:10 Moreover the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11 “Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God; ask it either in the depth or in the height above.”

12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!”

13 Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.​
Who is the sign for? King Ahaz. What is the sign? A young women/virgin will have a son. And what will this son do? Eat curds and honey. Then what? Before he knows to refuse evil and choose good, the two kings will be no longer be a threat.

How is that about Jesus? Only two gospels have the birth story, and only one, Matthew, uses Isaiah 7:14...
Matthew 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).​
I don't know what the beginning of chapter 7 means, but I believe that verses 10 through 15 are about Jesus..

10 Moreover the Lord spake again unto Ahaz, saying,

11 Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.

12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord.

13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I don't know what the beginning of chapter 7 means, but I believe that verses 10 through 15 are about Jesus..
Why do you think they are about Jesus? And what about verse 16?

12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!” 13 Then he said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

Who is the sign for? King Ahaz. What is the sign? A young women/virgin will have a son. And what will this son do? Eat curds and honey. Then what? Before he knows to refuse evil and choose good, the two kings will be no longer be a threat.
I don't even see how anyone can make this into a prophecy about the Messiah. It is a "sign" for King Ahaz. And it's about an amount of time before the sign comes to pass... by the time the boy gets to a certain age. By that time the two enemy kings are dead.

Now Matthew, as if that's who really wrote the birth story, wasn't there. Where did he get this information? From Mary, Jesus' mother? But then Luke's story is different. So who was his source? I think there was a very, very good chance there were lots of legends and myths go around about the early years and birth of Jesus... Like some story about him making birds out of clay and then they came to life.

So why take this virgin birth story literally and not make it metaphorical like the resurrection story? Baha'is don't need it. They are supposed to be the religion that gets away from "superstitious", supernatural beliefs. Besides, in those days others were said to been virgin born or had a God as their father. It would've been too easy to make up a story, so their God/man, Jesus, could compete and look as good and powerful as all the other God/man of the times.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why do you think they are about Jesus? And what about verse 16?

I don't even see how anyone can make this into a prophecy about the Messiah. It is a "sign" for King Ahaz. And it's about an amount of time before the sign comes to pass... by the time the boy gets to a certain age. By that time the two enemy kings are dead.

Now Matthew, as if that's who really wrote the birth story, wasn't there. Where did he get this information? From Mary, Jesus' mother? But then Luke's story is different. So who was his source? I think there was a very, very good chance there were lots of legends and myths go around about the early years and birth of Jesus... Like some story about him making birds out of clay and then they came to life.

So why take this virgin birth story literally and not make it metaphorical like the resurrection story? Baha'is don't need it. They are supposed to be the religion that gets away from "superstitious", supernatural beliefs. Besides, in those days others were said to been virgin born or had a God as their father. It would've been too easy to make up a story, so their God/man, Jesus, could compete and look as good and powerful as all the other God/man of the times.
I do not really know what Isaiah 7 is about, but I believe that verses 11-16 refer to Jesus.

Baha'is do not believe that the virgin birth is metaphorical because of what Baha'u'llah said about the virgin birth.
Baha'is do not deny that miracles are possible, we just minimize their importance.

1637. Christ, Virgin Birth of

"First regarding the birth of Jesus Christ. In light of what Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá have stated concerning this subject it is evident that Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, and that consequently His birth was quite miraculous. This is an established fact, and the friends need not feel at all surprised, as the belief in the possibility of miracles has never been rejected in the Teachings. Their importance, however, has been minimized."

(From a letter dated December 31, 1937 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)

1639. Bahá’í Teachings in Agreement with Doctrines of Catholic Church Concerning the Virgin Birth

"With regard to your question concerning the Virgin Birth of Jesus: On this point, as on several others, the Bahá’í Teachings are in full agreement with the doctrines of the Catholic Church. In the 'Kitáb-i-Íqán' (Book of Certitude) p. 56, and in a few other Tablets still unpublished, Bahá’u’lláh confirms, however indirectly, the Catholic conception of the Virgin Birth. Also ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in the 'Some Answered Questions', Chap. XII, p. 73, explicitly states that 'Christ found existence through the Spirit of God' which statement necessarily implies, when viewed in the light of the text, that Jesus was not the son of Joseph."

(From a letter dated October 14, 1945 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)

https://bahai.works/Lights_of_Guidance/Christ
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I do not really know what Isaiah 7 is about, but I believe that verses 11-16 refer to Jesus.

Baha'is do not believe that the virgin birth is metaphorical because of what Baha'u'llah said about the virgin birth.
Baha'is do not deny that miracles are possible, we just minimize their importance.

1637. Christ, Virgin Birth of

"First regarding the birth of Jesus Christ. In light of what Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá have stated concerning this subject it is evident that Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, and that consequently His birth was quite miraculous. This is an established fact, and the friends need not feel at all surprised, as the belief in the possibility of miracles has never been rejected in the Teachings. Their importance, however, has been minimized."

(From a letter dated December 31, 1937 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)

1639. Bahá’í Teachings in Agreement with Doctrines of Catholic Church Concerning the Virgin Birth

"With regard to your question concerning the Virgin Birth of Jesus: On this point, as on several others, the Bahá’í Teachings are in full agreement with the doctrines of the Catholic Church. In the 'Kitáb-i-Íqán' (Book of Certitude) p. 56, and in a few other Tablets still unpublished, Bahá’u’lláh confirms, however indirectly, the Catholic conception of the Virgin Birth. Also ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in the 'Some Answered Questions', Chap. XII, p. 73, explicitly states that 'Christ found existence through the Spirit of God' which statement necessarily implies, when viewed in the light of the text, that Jesus was not the son of Joseph."

(From a letter dated October 14, 1945 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)

https://bahai.works/Lights_of_Guidance/Christ
How did it get established?
This is an established fact,
Still the same question... Why accept the virgin birth and reject the resurrection? The resurrection is much more important and is in all four gospel accounts. The virgin birth would be a perfect story to make metaphorical. But, since Baha'is believe in the possibility of miracles... Did Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead? Did the young Jesus make clay birds that came to life as stated in the Quran? I'd imagine probably not... That those things would be made "metaphorical".
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
How did it get established?

Still the same question... Why accept the virgin birth and reject the resurrection? The resurrection is much more important and is in all four gospel accounts. The virgin birth would be a perfect story to make metaphorical. But, since Baha'is believe in the possibility of miracles... Did Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead? Did the young Jesus make clay birds that came to life as stated in the Quran? I'd imagine probably not... That those things would be made "metaphorical".
The virgin birth is an established fact in the Baha'i Faith because it was confirmed by Baha'u'lalh to be true, and Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah received His knowledge from God.

Baha'is reject the resurrection because it is established in the Baha'i Writings that there was no bodily resurrection.

I don't know what other Baha'is believe about Lazarus but I imagine they believe it is a metaphorical story just like I do.

You seem to think that the Baha'is MAKE things metaphorical as if they just decide that but that is not what happens. We believe what Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha wrote about the Bible, but if they did not address something we are free to interpret it in our own way.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Koren or ArtScroll with commentary.

If you must use a Christian translation I'd go NRSV (yes the gender neutral stuff sucks but the translation is overall one of the most academic) or the ESV, at a push.

One of the themes of this thread is that knowledge will greatly increase. And it has. So why wouldn't anyone interested in the words of scripture purchase a good Bible software, like say Logos, and see what the original languages say (using word studies) for themselves?

Every translation is an interpretation. And every interpretation privileges the worldview of the interpreter. Your worldview should be first and foremost even though, hopefully, it's informed by others.




John
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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One of the themes of this thread is that knowledge will greatly increase. And it has. So why wouldn't anyone interested in the words of scripture purchase a good Bible software, like say Logos, and see what the original languages say (using word studies) for themselves?

Every translation is an interpretation. And every interpretation privileges the worldview of the interpreter. Your worldview should be first and foremost even though, hopefully, it's informed by others.




John
Best bet would be to study the language itself with those wo speak and/or read it imo.
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Best bet would be to study the language itself with those wo speak and/or read it imo.

I'd say you need the expertise of those who know the language well, but without losing the "beginner's eye" that those who take the language for granted lost long ago.

By using Ibn Ezra, Abarbanel, Rashi, Nachmanides, et.al., without losing my beginners eye, I've taken advantage of the increase of knowledge (speed of light bible software, the Internet, etc.,) in order to cover ground at a pace that would twist the mind of the aforementioned sages into knots. They simply could never believe what is possible for the bible student today.

That the great gift of this time in history is rejected by most, or many, and passed over for a mess of pottage, probably says something important about the title of this thread.



John
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
The virgin birth is an established fact in the Baha'i Faith because it was confirmed by Baha'u'lalh to be true, and Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah received His knowledge from God.

Baha'is reject the resurrection because it is established in the Baha'i Writings that there was no bodily resurrection.

I don't know what other Baha'is believe about Lazarus but I imagine they believe it is a metaphorical story just like I do.

You seem to think that the Baha'is MAKE things metaphorical as if they just decide that but that is not what happens. We believe what Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha wrote about the Bible, but if they did not address something we are free to interpret it in our own way.
Okay, so the virgin birth, as unlikely as it is to be real, is confirmed by Baha'u'llah, so that establishes it as a fact. Well, there you go... you have proven that God is real and that Baha'u'llah is a messenger from God too. Because Baha'u'llah said so, and that should establish those things as facts also.

Sorry, but that is the same stuff most all other religions say. Oh, and didn't you just "make" the story about Lazarus metaphorical? Which, to me, doesn't make sense. It is in the on going story about the things Jesus did. Why would the writer go from saying, "Jesus did this and right after that went to see his sick friend Lazarus. But he had already died... metaphorically of course." No, the story makes it sound as if all these things Jesus did really happened. That was the point. Of course, a lot of people don't believe those stories... and think the writers were just making stuff up to make Jesus into a miracle worker, but still, that's how the story goes. I see no reason to make it into a metaphorical story. An embellished made up story, yes. Or... a very slight chance real.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Have the end times arrived?
Okay, let's assume the Baha'is are right. The "Christ" has come. Actually, the "promised one" of all religions has come. But did peace and unity happen? No. Why not? Supposedly because Baha'u'llah's message was essentially rejected. So now what?

Plaques, wars, natural disasters etc. But then what? What needs to happen next? What needs to happen for peace and unity to finally happen? What is it that the Baha'i Faith says will happen to get the people of the world to finally listen too and accept the message brought by Baha'u'llah? And once that message is accepted, what do Baha'is believe will happen?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Okay, so the virgin birth, as unlikely as it is to be real, is confirmed by Baha'u'llah, so that establishes it as a fact. Well, there you go... you have proven that God is real and that Baha'u'llah is a messenger from God too. Because Baha'u'llah said so, and that should establish those things as facts also.
It is a fact for Baha'is but it is not an established fact since it can never be established as a fact.
Sorry, but that is the same stuff most all other religions say.
What other religions say means nothing. If that say the same thing as Bahais say that in no way makes the Baha'i Faith a false religion, which is all that will matter when the curtain call comes.
No, the story makes it sound as if all these things Jesus did really happened. That was the point. Of course, a lot of people don't believe those stories... and think the writers were just making stuff up to make Jesus into a miracle worker, but still, that's how the story goes. I see no reason to make it into a metaphorical story. An embellished made up story, yes. Or... a very slight chance real.
I do not give a rip how the story sounds, I don't believe that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead because I am mot a Christian.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Okay, let's assume the Baha'is are right. The "Christ" has come. Actually, the "promised one" of all religions has come. But did peace and unity happen? No. Why not? Supposedly because Baha'u'llah's message was essentially rejected. So now what?
Yes, that is why the Most Great Peace did not come. Now we have to settle for the Lesser Peace.

O ye rulers of the earth! Wherefore have ye clouded the radiance of the Sun, and caused it to cease from shining? Hearken unto the counsel given you by the Pen of the Most High, that haply both ye and the poor may attain unto tranquillity and peace. We beseech God to assist the kings of the earth to establish peace on earth. He, verily, doth what He willeth.

O kings of the earth! We see you increasing every year your expenditures, and laying the burden thereof on your subjects. This, verily, is wholly and grossly unjust. Fear the sighs and tears of this wronged One, and lay not excessive burdens on your peoples. Do not rob them to rear palaces for yourselves; nay rather choose for them that which ye choose for yourselves. Thus We unfold to your eyes that which profiteth you, if ye but perceive. Your people are your treasures. Beware lest your rule violate the commandments of God, and ye deliver your wards to the hands of the robber. By them ye rule, by their means ye subsist, by their aid ye conquer. Yet, how disdainfully ye look upon them! How strange, how very strange!

Now that ye have refused the Most Great Peace, hold ye fast unto this, the Lesser Peace, that haply ye may in some degree better your own condition and that of your dependents.

O rulers of the earth! Be reconciled among yourselves, that ye may need no more armaments save in a measure to safeguard your territories and dominions. Beware lest ye disregard the counsel of the All-Knowing, the Faithful.

Be united, O kings of the earth, for thereby will the tempest of discord be stilled amongst you, and your peoples find rest, if ye be of them that comprehend. Should any one among you take up arms against another, rise ye all against him, for this is naught but manifest justice.

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 253-254
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Plaques, wars, natural disasters etc. But then what? What needs to happen next? What needs to happen for peace and unity to finally happen? What is it that the Baha'i Faith says will happen to get the people of the world to finally listen too and accept the message brought by Baha'u'llah? And once that message is accepted, what do Baha'is believe will happen?
Nobody knows the future except God.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
I do not give a rip how the story sounds, I don't believe that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead because I am mot a Christian.
Then don't say Baha'is believe that the Bible is the greatest gift BS. But, as usual, you the miss the bigger issue. It is written as if it really happened. Meaning, if it didn't really happen, then it was a made up fictional event. Making the gospel stories a bunch of lies. And Baha'is try to down play those made up stories by saying that some of the stories in the Bible were metaphorical. And you take it even further by just blowing it off and saying that you don't care or that you don't give a rip. Unfortunately, because of that kind of attitude, I think it might just cause some people to not give a "rip" about the Baha'i Faith. I know, I know... you don't care. Swell. I'm sure Baha'u'llah is very proud of you.
 
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