And all I said is, Let's preserve the churches
I guess they're like trigger words lol.
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European Christian Heritage
- Thread starter Rival
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I guess they're like trigger words lol.
Ok, my only remark to that is that I am convinced things like Christianity behave today because they have been disciplined by the enlightenment, and not because they decided to be nice. So, it is entirely possible that they got civilised too, and will never behave like before. However, as they say, better safe than sorry.
News from the Catholic Church, for instance, and how they intentionally recycled kids rapists so that they can rape even more, is not very encouraging, though.
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- viole
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
That stinks. I am sorry.
Augustus
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And all I said is, Let's preserve the churches
I guess they're like trigger words lol.
Of course
Religion plays the role of Satan in their plagiarised version of Christian eschatology.
The "rationalist" desire to see churches destroyed and their faith that it will lead to a better society is just the latest iteration of Protestant iconoclasm.
Well, it is clear that my post does not advocate the active annihilation of the church, which is not indicative of any maturing process, but rather its natural death. Its natural extinction, basically. Only an unforced and irreversible death, in an environment where people are free to worship whomever they want, would signal to me that we endlich left intellectual infancy as a species.I don't agree with plenty in Catholicism, but the Catholic church has done more to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, educate people, house the homeless, and give to the needy more than any institution in history.
I'm not going to report your post, because I never do that, but if I said "the day the last stone from the last mosque falls on the head of the last Muslim Imam in Europe, that day will be a great day."
My post would get deleted for hate speech and undermining the forum purpose.
And by the way. I don't believe the Catholic church loves the poor. It rather loves poverty, and that for obvious reasons.
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- viole
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But...Of course
Religion plays the role of Satan in their plagiarised version of Christian eschatology.
The "rationalist" desire to see churches destroyed and their faith that it will lead to a better society is just the latest iteration of Protestant iconoclasm.
'Let's stop the synagogues being vandalised...'
'YES OF COURSE THIS IS ANTI-SEMISITSM HOW COULD ANYONE DO SUCH A THING.'
'And the churches.'
'Eh, no-one believes in that anymore.'
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But you see religion is a special unnatural negative and not a part of general human behaviour.
I never said it is unnatural. Actually, I believe it is very natural to believe in non existing agencies. So natural in fact to have even been naturally selected.But you see religion is a special unnatural negative and not a part of general human behaviour.
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- viole
Brinne
Active Member
I think you’d love John Ruskin’s work and critique of conservation.
Though I personally think Church structures (as well as mosques, synagogues, temples, and shrines) are the “democratization” of beautiful spaces in a sense. Sure it’s most pressing that we provide the poor with housing, food, and healthcare but the right to visit beautiful spaces is also something I think belongs to all.
And religious structures are generally one of the few spaces like that where someone can experience that without paying or being chased off for loitering. Ideally; I’m sure theres some places where the clergy would chase you off but I don’t think that’s the norm.
Also to clarify I wouldn’t be against creating such spaces in a secular context - I definitely feel public spaces of beauty and free association (that is, places that are public and don’t posses anti-homeless architecture) are lacking in a lot of places.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Hey don't exclude me, I'm working class.There's nothing more British than the the tradition of performative anti-Britishness displayed by the liberal middle class
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Yes, that's why this forum is active, rather than a ghost town!And all I said is, Let's preserve the churches
I guess they're like trigger words lol.
There are many progressives here though, as opposed to traditional religious people. It's very odd, to be honest. Many of the religious people are also very liberal in their social views etc.Yes, that's why this forum is active, rather than a ghost town!
@Rival specifically talked about our own Christian heritage. In my case, that heritage includes a string of ancestors in the Royal Black Society and so many first-born sons named "William" that it creates problems for my relatives who are into genealogy to tell them apart.
A Christian heritage that's not antagonistic to other denominations is not my Christian heritage.
It is though. As I said to Mikkel, just because you dislike it doesn't mean it's not yours. I'd rather my ancestors be Jewish but they're Christians and atheists who did many terrible things.
Sounds fine: preserve the buildings and their architectural details.And all I said is, Let's preserve the churches
I guess they're like trigger words lol.
... and selling these churches off to be turned into secular event venues, brewpubs, etc., can create a situation where the building owners can afford to preserve them.
Given that the UK has spent trillions on a rail system no-one asked for, I highly doubt we can't upkeep the churches.
That's my point. Antagonizing Catholics is an important aspect of my "European Christian heritage." I don't think that me embracing that heritage and antagonizing Catholics myself would really be a net benefit for Christianity.
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
This reminds me of an ad/link to a Christian community page I saw on FB.
The comment section was full of contemptuous and hateful comments made by atheists, while comments of the people the page was intended for were extremely rare.
The few pro-Christian comments that were there got a lot of laugh "frubals" or were replied with judgemental comments.
A rail system serves the public good. Why should churches get government money?
If a local council creates some plan where owners of historically significant buildings can apply for grants for building upkeep, sure... allow churches to apply. But I'm not sure such a grant program is an absolute requirement.
That's deeply saddening.