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Religion and politics. Vp Harris skirting the law?

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Tax the churches, all of them.

Notice how the NYPost wants everyone to believe it's the VP forcing churches to air the ad. That's the misinformation and false narrative being plastered all over the RW echo chamber.

It looks like the churches are choosing to air these videos on their own, without someone telling them to do it.

Republicans sure are quiet when churches talk politics from the altar. On a weekly basis. But now that a church promotes a democratic candidate they're all outraged.

Hypocrites. Tax ALL churches. The only people in congress keeping that from happening are republicans. Allowing churches to ignore the constitution and non-profit qualifications.
Does that include all of the other Not-for-profit organizations? Or just the religious ones.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
If you can't beat them, join them.
The GOP have been receiving church backing for years - a bit late to start complaining.
Actually, it is split pretty even between the two parties.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The OP is nothing short of being sheer hypocrisy as Trump and Pence also used places of worship while campaigning.

Is it a right thing to do? Not imo, unless they are willing to give up their tax-exempt status. .
 

F1fan

Veteran Member

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Maybe I watch the wrong news channels, but that's not what I see.
I understand that completely. However, since I work in the pastoral area, it is amazing at the diversity that exists.

Indeed, what you see is really media driven which so often is different to reality
 

Suave

Simulated character
https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/churc...-kamala-harris-appearing-to-violate-irs-rule/

It a bipartisan problem and Harris appears to be no exception.

Question is if any laws were willfully broken?

Any Churches by law should loose their tax-exempt status for having aired to their congregation Vice President Harris's endorsement of Virginia's Democratic gubernatorial candidate Terry McCaulifee. Right? I'm guessing that's a big no-no for tax-exempt organizations to engage in endorsing a particular candidate for political office.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
It goes for any that skirt the rules.
I don't feel churches should be tax exempt for any reason.

No problem with those who skirt... but churches are not-for-profit -- and since we don't have "favorites", churches are exempt unless no-one is exempt.

For that matter, why not make everyone who makes a dollar just pay their fair share. ;) including you.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Does that include all of the other Not-for-profit organizations? Or just the religious ones.

As far as know, any non-profit organization to keep its tax-exempt status can not endorse a candidate for political office. In order to maintain tax-exempt status, 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations cannot engage in political campaigning. Nonprofits with 501(c)(3) tax exempt status should be ever vigilant about this prohibition -- a violation could result in severe consequences.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Coming in late living on the left coast:

I think this really expressed the problem... not constitutional but rathe moral. Neither side of the aisle has exemplified morality and thus nullifying the Constitution purpose and capacity.

True but the right is a lot worse.

I understand that completely. However, since I work in the pastoral area, it is amazing at the diversity that exists.

Indeed, what you see is really media driven which so often is different to reality

Most of the local churches never make the news because they are too busy with worship, feeding the poor, tending to the homeless and seeking to materially uplift the marginalized.

For that matter, why not make everyone who makes a dollar just pay their fair share. ;) including you.

So you are in favor making sure the wealthy don't pay much less than the poor. I like that idea very much.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
As far as know, any non-profit organization to keep its tax-exempt status can not endorse a candidate for political office. In order to maintain tax-exempt status, 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations cannot engage in political campaigning. Nonprofits with 501(c)(3) tax exempt status should be ever vigilant about this prohibition -- a violation could result in severe consequences.
Yes it can. Of course, we remember that it was created as a political payback.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
True but the right is a lot worse.

Yes, the other side of one's perspective is always worse

Most of the local churches never make the news because they are too busy with worship, feeding the poor, tending to the homeless and seeking to materially uplift the marginalized.

That may be quite true!

So you are in favor making sure the wealthy don't pay much less than the poor. I like that idea very much.

I like the straight percentage tax. Those who make less pay less and those who make more pay more. At the same time... I think that it should start with those above the poverty line.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Tax the churches, all of them.

Notice how the NYPost wants everyone to believe it's the VP forcing churches to air the ad. That's the misinformation and false narrative being plastered all over the RW echo chamber.

It looks like the churches are choosing to air these videos on their own, without someone telling them to do it.

Republicans sure are quiet when churches talk politics from the altar. On a weekly basis. But now that a church promotes a democratic candidate they're all outraged.

Hypocrites. Tax ALL churches. The only people in congress keeping that from happening are republicans. Allowing churches to ignore the constitution and non-profit rules.

Taxing religious organizations might very well generate over $70 billion annually of much needed government revenue for higher education, infrastructure improvements, renewable green energy research and development projects, and for expanded Medicare or Medicaid health insurance coverage.

https://secularpolicyinstitute.net/71-billion-reasons-to-tax-religious-organizations/
 

Suave

Simulated character
Yes it can. Of course, we remember that it was created as a political payback.
Mark 12:17 "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's", Based on what Jesus has said there, Churches should pay taxes, that's what Jesus would like. Churches paying their fair of taxes is the Christianly thing for them to do. Right?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
No problem with those who skirt... but churches are not-for-profit -- and since we don't have "favorites", churches are exempt unless no-one is exempt.

For that matter, why not make everyone who makes a dollar just pay their fair share. ;) including you.

The difference is that churches in the US are not required to submit annual details of their finances to the IRS like other non-profits to demonstrate how they actually spend their money.

So if you want churches to be treated like any other non-profit, no problem: show us the money. :)
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Mark 12:17 "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's", Based on what Jesus has said there, Churches should pay taxes, that's what Jesus would like. Churches paying their fair of taxes is the Christianly thing for them to do. Right?
Actually no.

That was directed to individuals not to Synagogues or Churches.

Matthew 17:24-26
King James Version

24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

Jesus paid the taxes to synagogues (churches) and to Ceasar.

Constantine exempted churches
US churches’ federal income tax exemption was not formerly enacted as legislation until the Tariff Act was passed by Congress in 1894, providing tax exemptions to “corporations, companies, or associations organized and conducted solely for charitable, religious, or educational purposes.” [51] This was the first time the federal government declared any group exempt from paying taxes, as opposed to its earlier practice of only listing entities subject to taxation. [38] Although the Tariff Act was declared unconstitutional in 1896, the church tax exemption was reinstated by the Revenue Act of 1913, which defined the modern American income tax system. [45][46] On Jan. 14, 1924, the US Supreme Court interpreted the reason for the exemption in Trinidad v. Sagrada Orden: “Evidently the exemption is made in recognition of the benefit which the public derives” from churches’ “corporate activities.
 
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