Islamic Ad by Mail

Left Coast said:

This is the sort of thing I would expect from Christian groups. I've never received something like this promoting Islam before.

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Dawah is seen as a noble act in Islam and is quite common even in Western countries, although it may be more subtle than American Protestant Evangelism

Mosques often have limited outreach activities tied to them that can be quite subtle. One where I grew up has a curry kitchen that sells cheap food but also offers a contact point.

Left Coast said:

This was on my doorstep when I got home from work today:
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There is a certain irony as well as dishonesty with this.
Depression - Muslims also get depressed.
Family Discord - the image implies domestic violence, something that is explicitly prescribed in the Quran (verse 4:34), plus Islam promotes gender inequality.
Poverty - because there is no poverty in countries with majority Muslim populations run under Islamic principles.
Wars - not sure how Islam is supposed to stop wars. In fact, the Quran and sunnah prescribe fighting disbelievers until religious supremacism is achieved.

So it seems that following Islam doesn't stop you from being a dodgy salesman either.

mangalavara said:

Makes sense considering that Christianity is focused on the Second Coming whereas Islam, like Judaism, is a civilization.

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Islam is no different in that sense. It still looks forward to the end times and the second coming and divine cleansing. It just has a **** ton more social rules than the others while we are waiting.

Left Coast said:

Leave it to the Pagans to co-opt my Islam thread for their own nefarious purposes.

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I think Islam has something to say about pagans.

Left Coast said:

This was on my doorstep when I got home from work today:

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This is the sort of thing I would expect from Christian groups. I've never received something like this promoting Islam before.

Discuss.

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It's Abrahamic. What did ya expect? "0]

At least Judaism seems to be the least evangelical of the bunch. To date I don't think I've ever seen Jewish literature on my doorstep.

Twilight Hue said:

It's Abrahamic. What did ya expect? "0]

At least Judaism seems to be the least evangelical of the bunch. To date I don't think I've ever seen Jewish literature on my doorstep.

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Judaism doesn't seek converts.

The Hammer said:

I've seen something like that before in regards to Islam. No different then the door to door JW, or LDS folk imo.

Maybe Pagans should start proselytizing too, that'll show 'em.

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I could do you one better. I a Luciferian Pagan witch could (gasp) start proselytizing too. And then the two of us bump into each other knocking on doors and argue at a doorway which is better Luciferian Pagan witchcraft or Druidism.

Augustus said:

Dawah is seen as a noble act in Islam and is quite common even in Western countries, although it may be more subtle than American Protestant Evangelism

Mosques often have limited outreach activities tied to them that can be quite subtle. One where I grew up has a curry kitchen that sells cheap food but also offers a contact point.

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Dawn was always seen as a noble act, but it was always preached to be a reactive thing.

Left Coast said:

This was on my doorstep when I got home from work today:

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This is the sort of thing I would expect from Christian groups. I've never received something like this promoting Islam before.

Discuss.

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Predominantly Muslim evangelism was for Muslims themselves. That means a Muslim goes preaching to Muslims. it was considered a bother and an annoyance. This is a traditional matter. When I was young I used to receive marketing material by the JW's quite often, that's it. Recently I saw atheists advertising heavily.

This is very new.

Twilight Hue said:

It's Abrahamic. What did ya expect? "0]

At least Judaism seems to be the least evangelical of the bunch. To date I don't think I've ever seen Jewish literature on my doorstep.

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To be honest? I don't mind evangelism on a personal level, haha. I find these little mailers fascinating. If people want to chat with me at my door and I have time, I'll do it. As long as they're not rude or something, I think it's interesting to hear what people have to say and have an exchange of ideas. Or with little flyers like these, I think it's interesting to see what they say from a PR and marketing perspective.

I know other people find this stuff annoying. I'm an odd duck that way, I suppose haha.

firedragon said:

Dawn was always seen as a noble act, but it was always preached to be a reactive thing.


Predominantly Muslim evangelism was for Muslims themselves. That means a Muslim goes preaching to Muslims. it was considered a bother and an annoyance. This is a traditional matter. When I was young I used to receive marketing material by the JW's quite often, that's it. Recently I saw atheists advertising heavily.

This is very new.

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You've received atheist literature in your mail? Or people knocking on your door? That would be new for me too!

Left Coast said:

You've received atheist literature in your mail?

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No never. I said advertising. There were some hoardings put up which were pretty good really.

In my mail I have only received JW's material regularly, and also this guy Benny Hinn, and a Buddhist publication but that was more like a general knowledge thing rather than an evangelical pub.

KWED said:

The Quran tells us that if you don't submit to Islam, you will burn in hell (in fact, the descriptions of the horrendous tortures are very explicit) - so at least the Christians are being honest.

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I've read the Qur'an, so I'm familiar with that, and yes, the torture descriptions were kinda hard for me to read through.

However, its not the best way to catch recruits...

JWs have the best version of Christianity in my view.

KWED said:

I think Islam has something to say about pagans.

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I got the impression the Qur'an was mentioning only local Pagans, not necessarily all Pagans everywhere. Actually, I got the impression it was directed at people in that area, as it doesn't really mention people being off in far lands. Muslims disagree very strongly with me on this, but this is just my own impression.

Left Coast said:

To be honest? I don't mind evangelism on a personal level, haha. I find these little mailers fascinating. If people want to chat with me at my door and I have time, I'll do it. As long as they're not rude or something, I think it's interesting to hear what people have to say and have an exchange of ideas. Or with little flyers like these, I think it's interesting to see what they say from a PR and marketing perspective.

I know other people find this stuff annoying. I'm an odd duck that way, I suppose haha.

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It depends on the literature/conversations, and how pushy they are for me. I don't mind a polite conversation, but I don't like being degraded.

Left Coast said:

You've received atheist literature in your mail? Or people knocking on your door? That would be new for me too!

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We had a local atheist group that could get quite pushy. They don't go door to door(yet), but they were in the paper quite frequently for wanting sculptures put up next to religious sculptures(I don't remember what it was a sculpture of) to signify atheism was just as important, and the leader used to make rounds to all the towns in the area to demand to offer 'prayers' at city hall meetings.

It seemed a little odd to me; kind of like they were making a religion out of atheism. One or two cities allowed him his 'prayer', but a lot just didn't want to deal with him and disbanded prayer all together. It wasn't just atheism that was an issue; the man was loud, pushy, rude, and tended to call the newspaper on himself to get attention. We had our own personal run in with him when he took my husband's picture at a local protest(he was in costume). My husband didn't know who he was and gave consent for him to take it. Later, he got his name and asked if he could e-mail him a picture(neither one of us had cameras on our phones at this time), and he directed him to a website in which he could purchase a copy for 30 bucks. He was also known for approaching people he assumed were religious and trying to explain to them how dumb their beliefs were, and why they should drop them, and become atheist, like him. I'm not sure if his minions did the same, but knowing some of the others who were in the group on a more personal level, it sounds like the shoe would have fit.

Left Coast said:

To be honest? I don't mind evangelism on a personal level, haha. I find these little mailers fascinating. If people want to chat with me at my door and I have time, I'll do it. As long as they're not rude or something, I think it's interesting to hear what people have to say and have an exchange of ideas. Or with little flyers like these, I think it's interesting to see what they say from a PR and marketing perspective.

I know other people find this stuff annoying. I'm an odd duck that way, I suppose haha.

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I know what your saying. I read through the material as well, but it's more in way of entertainment more than anything. Maybe not their own intention or purpose in leaving it, but I never take most religious literature in any serious light as it all comes across as being rather fantastical and not dealing with my view of reality.

firedragon said:

Dawah was always seen as a noble act, but it was always preached to be a reactive thing.

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Yes, a reaction to people not being Muslims.

Predominantly Muslim evangelism was for Muslims themselves. That means a Muslim goes preaching to Muslims.

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How does a Muslim invite a Muslim to Islam?
Also, if dawah is not supposed to be directed at non-Muslims, that only leaves the use of force to achieve religious supremacism, which I'm sure isn't the impression you wanted to give.

Recently I saw atheists advertising heavily.

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What does that mean? What were they selling?

Right leaning radio stations routinely have advertisers who are overtly Christian businesses and make sure their ads make this clear.

Wonder how Christians would react to overtly Muslim businesses advertising on the radio? I bet they would freak out thinking there was some ulterior motive behind the ads (namely trying to covert people to Islam.)

JustGeorge said:

I've read the Qur'an, so I'm familiar with that, and yes, the torture descriptions were kinda hard for me to read through.

However, its not the best way to catch recruits...

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Indeed. I have noticed that it is a rather cherry-picked and sanitised version of Islam that is pushed by the dawah merchants.
There is also a degree in dishonesty in their promoting the "Quran scientific miracles" narrative, even after it has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. One leading Islamic speaker even described it as "an intellectual embarrassment" to Muslims, but it is still being used all over the internet and irl.

JustGeorge said:

I got the impression the Qur'an was mentioning only local Pagans, not necessarily all Pagans everywhere.

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That depends whether you view it as a book written by 7th century Arabs, for 7th century Arabs - or an omniscient god's final and perfect message to all mankind.

Actually, I got the impression it was directed at people in that area, as it doesn't really mention people being off in far lands. Muslims disagree very strongly with me on this, but this is just my own impression.

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That is the difference between what it appears to be and what it is claimed to be.
It makes perfect sense as the work of 7th century Arabs attempting to establish a new socio-religious system based on existing beliefs and customs from the region.
It makes no sense as an omniscient god's final and perfect message to all mankind.

Left Coast said:

This was on my doorstep when I got home from work today:

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This is the sort of thing I would expect from Christian groups. I've never received something like this promoting Islam before.

Discuss.

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No surprise to me

Thoughts become words become actions

Muslims believe their religion/God is the best and/or other's are inferior

This thought became word and landed on your doorstep. As simple as that