PureX
Veteran Member
If we're calling that a solution.
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Interstate CDL License Bill Introduced In Senate
- Thread starter esmith
- Start date
For people who think truck drivers don't make enough money - how much should they make?
$70K average salary seems pretty good for a job that doesn't require college education.
$70K average salary seems pretty good for a job that doesn't require college education.
esmith
Veteran Member
Ah, but even if they own their own tractors they are facing AB5 bill depending of the courts.
https://www.joc.com/trucking-logist...yage-operators-adapt-ab5-threat_20191231.html
esmith
Veteran Member
You fail to understand who controls interstate regulations....
A State can issue CDL licenses to those 18 and over but once they cross a State line federal government rules come into play.
See the Mann Act
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Why is that a problem that the free market (PBUI) cannot fix? Shouldn't all of this be trivially solvable with the ingenuity of spirited entrepreneurs with a go getter attitude who would rather work productively rather than whine ineffectually about a problem they could change instead?
esmith
Veteran Member
You really don't understand do you....
FEDERAL LAW STATES THAT IF YOU HAVE A CDL AND OPERATING A VEHICAL THAT REQUIRES A CDL YOU MUST BE 21 TO CROSS STATE LINES.
how you going to resolve that....violate the law and the penalty can get you a 60 day suspension and a $5000 fine.
His point is that the market isn't free, though, which is true. There is a regulation preventing young adults from taking these jobs. He wants to make the market freer so they can.
I question how big of a dent that will actually make in the problem, though.
Link fails me.
But a driver who sets his own hours, owns his own rig,
has multiple customers, etc will meet legal standards
of a contractor.
Otherwise, every contractor who comes to your house
to install a furnace, clear a drain, or replace a roof would
also become your employee.
I've had contractors whom the state tried to make employees.
(There's money for those crooks to try this pretense.) Never
lost a battle. **** the government that tries to hose us.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Your source is 6 years old.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Bad idea. Really bad idea.
Its 21 for a reason.
Brainstorm!
How about loosing those regs enough so older experienced drivers can go back to work without having to jump through a gazillion medical tests just to get a DOT certification? Also get rid of that stupid HOS bull****.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That makes Hypocrisy a wonderful solution.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I think drivers should have more experience on the roads so something so big isn't a first experience on the road.
AB5 was before Prop22, and that effectively did away with AB5.
esmith
Veteran Member
So you are saying that those between 18 and 21 do not have any experience on the road?
Guess you should do a little homework before making statements.
Yes Prop 22 overturned AB5; however from
Q&A: What Overturning Prop 22 Could Mean for the Future of the Gig Economy
Prop 22 was passed in November of 2020 in response to California Assembly Bill 5, which gave gig workers wage and benefit protections. Ride-share companies like Uber, Lyft, and DoorDash built their business model on gig workers. And they spent hundreds of millions of dollars to defend it, lobbying in support of Prop 22 and making it the most expensive ballot measure in California's history.
The Service Employees International Union sued the state in January to overturn the proposition, and on Aug. 20, an Alameda County Superior Court Judge Frank Roesche found Prop 22 violated the state's constitution, rendering it unenforceable.
This ruling will probably go all the way to the CA Supreme Court and possibly the SCOTUS but AB5 is still a law in CA.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Generally not much, if any at all.
Except AB5 has basically changed nothing, including the independent contractor thing, and things are functioning under Prop22.
esmith
Veteran Member
Prop22 was found to be unconstitutional as per CA constitution. Hence there is NO Prop22 in affect.
The Battle Continues: Prop 22 Struck Down, AB 5 Appealed | JD Supra
And your idea that independent contractor "thing"(whatever you mean by that) are functioning is wrong.
Obvously you disagree with the following links:
Gig Workers Fight California’s New Contractor Law
https://www.atr.org/ab5
I preferred being a contractor.
To be an employee is to be a company's <rhymes with witch>.
Some of us like our independence, & will cover our own taxes,
health care, etc.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I live and work in California as an independent contractor. Prop 22 is in effect, it is what operations are functioning under. AB5 made us employees. Prop 22 keeps it as independent contractors. I am am independent contractor amd working under Prop 22 laws.
esmith
Veteran Member
So you disagree with the article:
The Battle Continues: Prop 22 Struck Down, AB 5 Appealed | JD Supra
Note the date of the article is Sept 27, 2021