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Question about living and beliving in a religion from the past.

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Many of the religions we follow today were taught 1500-2000 years ago or even older. And to live by the teaching it seems like one should live as if one lived back then. But....

Are we not in a way living in today's society with the belief that also fits today's world? I mean, we do not need to change the teaching, but change how we live by it?

Thought it still only dates back to the mid-nineteenth century, I have exactly this problem with Marxism. On the one hand, there are certain ideas that are apparently fixed within the doctrine, namely "dialectical and historical materialism", as methods for understanding and interpreting nature and society. On the other hand, a great deal has happened since the days of Marx and Lenin and there is a clear need to revise some of it's ideas so they correspond to current levels of knowledge and conditions.

This is especially true given that Marxism didn't necessarily produce the paradise it originally intended and capitalism seems to have won. Imagine if you are Christian and the Pagans come back until you are hopelessly outnumbered and you'll get the idea. You are left asking questions such as: "Was our beliefs false?", "Does it have to be reinvented?", "Or should we stick to the true principles in the belief that they will ultimately be proven correct in the future?"

There is a continuous battle and tension between these two competing demands, of being ideologically orthodox and internally consistent with the doctrine, with responding to new evidence and experience as it comes to light. There is therefore a need to "change the teaching" if you will but there is a limit before it ceases to be Marxism and becomes something "else" that is not-Marxism, i.e. heretical views that are "revisionist".

Living with these ideas is difficult, firstly because they are so unpopular, second because information to understand them "correctly" in the "approved" manner is generally not widely available in English (but in Russian or Chinese) and third, many of the issues that come up in life and contemporary politics are genuinely new and require original thinking starting from Marxism's first principles of dialectical materialism.

For example, Communist Parties are having internal battles over trans-rights because materialism implies gender is objectively real, whilst dialectics would suggest it is not fixed but can be fluid and capable of change. Depending on which side you emphasise, you get different and contradicting opinions.

Naturally, Communists have proceeded to purge each other for their respective "heresies" and can't agree on anything and mutually accuse each other of being deviant and heretical or "revisionist". I suspect this problem will be very familiar to the religious believers and is probably not unlike Christians and Muslims having the same problem reconciling the new demands posed by society with their pre-existing scripture and theology. The only difference for us Marxists is it's more to do with politics and philosophy than theology and religion. :D
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
Do you think people cannot abandon drugs and their criminal ways without converting to Christianity. And what about those dug addicts and criminals who are Christians?
Don't make love into a band word with no value. One loves those who deserve being loved. Many do not deserve it. How about loving Hitler, Pol Pot or Caliph Ibrahim aka Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? Perhaps Terentius (whichever he was) did not encounter such people.
Good social values are aimed at even by atheists. The theists have no copy-right on social values.
I just meant I have seen some examples of "candles being lighted". So it's possible.

Sorry I don't know what "band word" means. Does a mother love a child because it deserves being loved?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Does a mother love a child because it deserves being loved?
A child is the responsibility of parents. They brought the child to the world, the child did not ask for birth. So, they have to fulfill their obligations to the child, to raise him/her to the best of their ability. Loving the child is their 'dharma', and that is how a child should be raised.
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
A child is the responsibility of parents. They brought the child to the world, the child did not ask for birth. So, they have to fulfill their obligations to the child, to raise him/her to the best of their ability. Loving the child is their 'dharma', and that is how a child should be raised.
Yes but their love is unconditional.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
As the first two spiritual human parents of everyone were family brother and sister also. Is basic spiritual advice.

Nature and living nature is first family support for anyone. Nurturing food and nature brings mutual family back together for the same living reasons.

Is a loving place to reunite family.

We all know social law is needed. We also know a lot of sick irradiated human consciousness is now expressed.

So we know acceptance of our choice is first needed.

So we own and apply community gatherings already.

Once the church of our Lord was built by design to be the only true church of healing.

By sound technology music prayer meditation singing. It's resounding. Phi status to contradict by vibration outside nature's fallout irradiations.

Another human review of awareness does my building assist that life changing healing evaluation.

Maybe I should incorporate the design of healing and meditative practice myself.

One realisation is information then science of science is no longer needed. We need to return to only meditative self balancing teaching. For human life family and self nurturing.

Science statements should only be argued in the science buildings. Not in our healing buildings.
 
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