Opposing Views

F1fan said:

Like if a teacher asks a class why the Holocaust was bad and one kid says "Because it killed innocent people for no reason.", but then another kid says "But my dad says the Jews are out to take over the world and we need to finish what the Nazis started." So, healthy discussion?

Click to expand...

I just said talking about horrific events in an education environment and even encouraging opposing views (whether one agrees or not since it's about education not political correctness) is healthy.

F1fan said:

You brought up how efficient the Germans were at doing the Holocaust, and I asked you numerous times how it was efficient, but you avoided answering me. I'm still curious what students could learn about efficiency using the example of the Holocaust, so what were your thoughts on that? You mentioned it quite a few times, so it wasn't a one time mistake.

Click to expand...

I didn't mention Germans, nor used that word.

I was going by the OP.

They talk about Holocaust, WW1, and so forth in classrooms all the time. I'm not sure if they have open discussion about it.

Like I said, open discussion without being reprimanded for opinions in an education environment shows that students can voice their opinions without political correctness. Discussing various opinions opposing and not isn't against the law and if they decide to have it in the classroom make an opt out option like they do with abortion topics and sex education.

I don't entertain thoughts on genocide in the Holocaust. My point was just in general. Professors don't need to focus on genocide as the topic of discussion (age depending). Opposing views doesn't mean opposing views to genocide.

Unveiled Artist said:

I just said talking about horrific events in an education environment and even encouraging opposing views (whether one agrees or not since it's about education not political correctness) is healthy.

Click to expand...

So, sharing options is good.

I didn't mention Germans, nor used that word.

I was going by the OP.

Click to expand...

So now you don't even remember how you mentioned how the Germans were efficient in doing the Holocaust.

Like I said, open discussion without being reprimanded for opinions in an education environment shows that students can voice their opinions without political correctness. Discussing various opinions opposing and not isn't against the law and if they decide to have it in the classroom make an opt out option like they do with abortion topics and sex education.

Click to expand...

Give us an example of an opinion with political correctness.

I don't entertain thoughts on genocide in the Holocaust.

Click to expand...

The Holocaust was genocide.

My point was just in general. Professors don't need to focus on genocide as the topic of discussion (age depending). Opposing views doesn't mean opposing views to genocide.

Click to expand...

What other topics would you suggest?

F1fan said:

So, sharing options is good.


So now you don't even remember how you mentioned how the Germans were efficient in doing the Holocaust.


Give us an example of an opinion with political correctness.


The Holocaust was genocide.


What other topics would you suggest?

Click to expand...

Timeline of Events - 1939–1941 — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum


Here's an idea if different topics

It doesn't need to focus on genocide since there are no opposing views on such.

It's up to the teacher how they want to present the material. In US classes they talk of things like slavery and details of that. In an education setting this is no different. Students can opt out if they want depending on the school has such policies as they do in abortion topics and dex education (mostly for religious reasons).

Anything else you're making a big deal of where none exists.

Unveiled Artist said:

Timeline of Events - 1939–1941 — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum


Here's an idea if different topics

It doesn't need to focus on genocide since there are no opposing views on such.

Click to expand...

Do you think there are opposing views on other parts of the Holocaust?

It's up to the teacher how they want to present the material. In US classes they talk of things like slavery and details of that. In an education setting this is no different. Students can opt out if they want depending on the school has such policies as they do in abortion topics and dex education (mostly for religious reasons).

Click to expand...

So you're referring to methodology, and not content. We still face problems of how the racial elements of the Civil War are presented to students in states like Texas. The republicans want to minimize the racial element of slavery.

Anything else you're making a big deal of where none exists.

Click to expand...

I'm still very curious what made you say that teaching the efficiency of the Holocaust was a good idea. I know you are trying to walk back these statements. If you are embarrassed then just say so.

I was looking up propaganda in general (WW1 etc) earlier and came across this so I thought I'd post. It's a 9 page article. It "strictly" focuses on propaganda and examples of it used in the Holocaust not specific to genocide.

For educational purposes only.

Here is an example of using the historical event of the holocausts in classrooms without highlighting genocide. https://blogs.harvard.edu/karthik/f...nalysis-of-Nazi-Propaganda-KNarayanaswami.pdf

"As we examine the chronology of events leading up to the Holocaust, it becomes vital to understand the role of propaganda in perpetuating a crime of this proportion. To this end, this paper will analyze the fundamental tenets of Nazi propaganda, and the role that they played in not just the genocide of Jews, Romani peoples, homosexuals, and other undesirables, but also in helping turn Germany into an aggressor nation"