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Supreme Court finds officers covered by 'qualified immunity' in two cases

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Yep. I am no fan of antifa and I know that there were definite excesses in some of the BLM riots. But I do not know of any cases that matched this.

Were there cop cars being set ablaze at the Capitol on 1-6? Police stations set on fire?
 
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Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
You seem to have lost focus here.

I haven’t. The greatly exaggerated Capitol riot on January 6 was a continuation of things that had already been happening throughout 2020. Except this time it was “the other side”. Which is why the left-run media blew it out of proportion.

If cops were acting within the law in shooting rioters, I have no problem with it. At all. Spill the blood. I just wonder why this tactic is so acceptable when the rioters are Trump supporters and why it is so unacceptable when it is antifa or blm.
 

Bodie

Member
It was very clear many were armed.

With baseball bats and flagpoles, which in the case of flagpoles they were most likely intended for flags but used because it was handy. Have you ever hit something with a flagpole? about as useless a weapon as a bicycle chain.
 
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Bodie

Member
I wonder how many of those who support the shooting of Ashli Babbitt were the very same ones who were going along with the "no justice, no peace", "defund the police", etc. etc. when riots raged for months in cities all across America over the death of career criminal and drug fiend George Floyd?
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Please provide proof of every single one of your claims.
Wait.....you mean to say that you've not watched video of Babbitt's shooting?

If that's the case, how can you comment on it?

CLICK HERE to see part of the video. You can see the mob trying to break down the doors to the House Lobby, see the officer raise his gun, hear the crowd shout "There's a gun" and "He's got a gun", and AB get shot as she tried to climb through a broken window.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Yup. This was not at all a normal or routine or even rare police encounter. A violent mob who storms the Capitol hasn't happened before. It was very clear many were armed. They were breaking through amd wanted more blood than they'd already spilled.
Yep, some of the insurrectionists have been charged with bringing guns.

They gave warnings. Was she armed or not? It has to be assumed at that point yes. Was she violent or not? She was part of a violent mob and crawled through a window to lead the charge. Despite the warnings she proceeded.
This is one case where I do believe the police shooting was just.
Same here. She knew what she was doing and knew the risks.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
The standard for shooting someone that is fleeing from police is much higher. Which is why some cops have been prosecuted when people get shot that way. The person has to be a definite risk to others. For example an armed person fleeing a murder scene would qualify.

But it is hard to believe that anyone that supposedly supports law and order, and just about every Trumpista will claim to do that, can not see how this shooting was 100% justified. There really is no question about it.
Yep. Don't forget how many times Trumpists respond to someone being shot by police with "If they'd just complied, they wouldn't have gotten shot".

Was Ashli Babbitt complying? Um.....no.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
I haven’t. The greatly exaggerated Capitol riot on January 6 was a continuation of things that had already been happening throughout 2020. Except this time it was “the other side”. Which is why the left-run media blew it out of proportion.

If cops were acting within the law in shooting rioters, I have no problem with it. At all. Spill the blood. I just wonder why this tactic is so acceptable when the rioters are Trump supporters and why it is so unacceptable when it is antifa or blm.
Is this serious?

BTW, this summer's riots weren't necessarily a different group of people.

Umbrella Man: Minneapolis police link suspect to white supremacists - BBC News
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
I wonder how many of those who support the shooting of Ashli Babbitt were the very same ones who were going along with the "no justice, no peace", "defund the police", etc. etc. when riots raged for months in cities all across America over the death of career criminal and drug fiend George Floyd?
Because most folks are capable of nuanced thinking, rather than the simple tribalistic type of thinking on display here.
 

Bodie

Member
Wait.....you mean to say that you've not watched video of Babbitt's shooting?

Pure pettifoggery on your part

Of course I have but neither see nor hear what you claimed as fact. I don't see masses of armed people other than a possible baseball bat, just a few not a "mob", I heard no warning before the shooting which you claimed there was and witnesses have conflicting views on that as the recently released internal documents gotten through FOIA . At five foot two and 110 pounds she must have been quite the terror!
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
I don't see masses of armed people other than a possible baseball bat, just a few not a "mob", I heard no warning before the shooting which you claimed there was and witnesses have conflicting views on that as the recently released internal documents gotten through FOIA . At five foot two and 110 pounds she must have been quite the terror!
So to be clear, you're disputing that:

1) There was a mob that stormed the Capitol on Jan 6;

2) People shouted "There's a gun" and "He's got a gun", despite both being clearly audible in the video (at 27-30 seconds in the video).

You also believe that "just a few" people stormed the Capitol on Jan 6.

I'm not sure what to say to that, other than just noting that denying observed reality doesn't make it go away.
 
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