Hmmmmmmmm...... no
To deny that even your body doesn't have "design" is to deny the obvious.
No its not, to claim design is ignoring the evidence
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Hmmmmmmmm...... no
To deny that even your body doesn't have "design" is to deny the obvious.
The word real is without evidence and only works if you believe in it. Real is in your brain and nowhere else.i like to know the answer to big questions too, real life questions, not spiritual/paranormal/philosophical stuff, it just doesn't interest me.
Have you ever seen structure that isn't designed? I have.
So an emotion is 'hard wired of who God is'? What does that even mean?
You don't care what/if happens to you and your family after death even?
Or do you assume just 'nothingness'? Or do you assume, 'we can't know'? Or are you truly not interested?
Well, the obvious is that we have alternative naturalistic mechanisms, accepted by virtually all scientists, including Christian scientists, that suggest exactly the opposite.Hmmmmmmmm...... no
To deny that even your body doesn't have "design" is to deny the obvious.
What you describe are assumptions based on past experience, or expectations/desires for future events, not "beliefs".From @lewisnotmiller comment on another thread
That sounds like a more constructive thread.
Dear atheists...I get that you don't believe in Gods. But tell me what you DO believe in...
There is no logical reason to believe in a god or gods, no hard evidence . So an atheist does not believe in god or gods.
Mentioning no names @questfortruth and others but there are some people on RF who believe that atheists have no belief whatsoever.
So i am asking atheists what do they actually believe in.
For me
I hope and believe that i will live to see my kids fledge the nest. It's one of my dearest wishes to take them through children and launch them on a successful adulthood.
I believe my husband and children love me
I believe that my car will start when i need it.
I even believe Jesus existed but not as the person described in the bible
I believe that the bread dough i made this morning will have risen enough to bake a couple of loaves.
And much more
So all you atheists out there in RF land, please inform us all of a few of the things you believe in.
I believe the universe does fine without the ideology of a God.From @lewisnotmiller comment on another thread
That sounds like a more constructive thread.
Dear atheists...I get that you don't believe in Gods. But tell me what you DO believe in...
There is no logical reason to believe in a god or gods, no hard evidence . So an atheist does not believe in god or gods.
Mentioning no names @questfortruth and others but there are some people on RF who believe that atheists have no belief whatsoever.
So i am asking atheists what do they actually believe in.
For me
I hope and believe that i will live to see my kids fledge the nest. It's one of my dearest wishes to take them through children and launch them on a successful adulthood.
I believe my husband and children love me
I believe that my car will start when i need it.
I even believe Jesus existed but not as the person described in the bible
I believe that the bread dough i made this morning will have risen enough to bake a couple of loaves.
And much more
So all you atheists out there in RF land, please inform us all of a few of the things you believe in.
No its not, to claim design is ignoring the evidence
Well, instead of wasting time trying to heal everybody, why not simply eliminate the disease? A little suggestion to the Almighty being, for the sake of efficiency.We don't.... and He doesn't. How many times did Jesus give bone cancer and such vs healing those who had such diseases?
Mere question begging.Have you ever seen a design with no designer? The design itself is hard evidence.
Out of interest, how do you access the here and now? Given that we humans seem to spend much of our existence reliving (and often regretting) the past, or planning for the future, are there any techniques you use to return yourself to the Here and Now? A d do you think there are psychological, if not spiritual, benefits in doing do? Just curious btw, not trying to lead you anywhere.
When you say 'I know' you are really stating a belief there and not knowledge. And contrarily I believe we are non-physical beings temporarily incarnating a physical body, but that is another different direction that this thread was not intended to go.I know what will happen to me after death, the same as happens to everyone, they decompose to atoms and molecules which go on to help create something new. The first law of thermodynamics tells me this.
In this way we are all made of star stuff and dead people.
Really, if physical science hasn't proven it then the spiritual does not exist? For me, I have concluded dramatic things lie beyond our physical senses and instruments.As to spiritual guesswork, when there is falsifiable evidence i will consider it. Until then it's a nothing
Have you ever seen a design with no designer?
To deny that even your body doesn't have "design" is to deny the obvious.
"Believe in" is really not a formulation that I much care for. I expect a lot of things, because it seems natural to expect them, based on what knowledge I have.
So what is knowledge?
why would Atheists want to argue or talk to you about a God Atheists do not believe in
OK. What makes it "obvious" that the human body was designed by a conscious entity?To deny that even your body doesn't have "design" is to deny the obvious.
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I use the word to refer to the collection of memories and other ideas that I consider correct. I judge correctness by utility. If I can use the idea to anticipate outcomes, it's a keeper. Other ideas that don't work are rejected.
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Are you employing the "Jimmy Savile Defence", or are you claiming that god is only responsible for the nice stuff while all the bad stuff just happens all by itself?We don't.... and He doesn't. How many times did Jesus give bone cancer and such vs healing those who had such diseases?
What you describe are assumptions based on past experience, or expectations/desires for future events, not "beliefs".
Atheists can believe in anything at all (as long as it is not the existence of gods), because atheism is a single issue position.
However, many atheists (like myself) do not "believe" anything. We accept things on the basis of evidence and rational argument. It is a subtle but important distinction.
When you say 'I know' you are really stating a belief there and not knowledge. And contrarily I believe we are non-physical beings temporarily incarnating a physical body, but that is another different direction that this thread was not intended to go.
Really, if physical science hasn't proven it then the spiritual does not exist? For me, I have concluded dramatic things lie beyond our physical senses and instruments.
That 1st law I also believe works fine for describing physical plane phenomena. It can’t tell us though if the spiritual planes exist or not.I am stating fact from the 1st law of thermodynamics
I certainly don't believe that, i prefer hard evidence over the intangible every time
What are you going on about? I point to the best we're going to get - which is what we can agree on is part of the reality we experience. I may hand someone a glass of drink, for example, and while I think it is "cold", they think otherwise. That's one we can take to an external instrument to find out the actual temperature that we can BOTH be forced to agree on - regardless whether one calls it "hot", "lukewarm" or "cold." I posit that the person calling it "lukewarm" is just putting forth that "fluff" I was talking about. So am I when I call it "cold." The thing we can both experience however, is the temperature reading. And when there isn't a method of getting to that mutual agreement? Well then whoever can use their data to actually predict how the universe is going to react is the winner. And if there isn't even that to turn to? Then it is all just opinion and likely doesn't matter in the least anyway. Like anyone's ideas of "religion" that include beings within other realms, or supernatural goings-on. One can only have opinions about these things until it is demonstrated to be MORE than opinion.That sentence is itself a personal experience: "The rest is just fluff and nonsense, fantasy and "personal experience." You have no mutual evidence as external experience or any hands-on reference for fluff, nonsense and "personal experience". You in effect doing what I tell you nobody can do with out.
I'm not speaking for all of us, I am speaking to what we can experience in some mutual way versus what we categorically cannot. There is an ocean of difference there. YOU can't see it... and I heartily believe that to be because your particular brand of "skepticism" has you with your head planted squarely in a dark, no-sunshiney place.In effect you are based on this post an objective and authoritarian collectivist - "all of us". You don't speak for all of us and neither do I.