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Why did God create homosexuality?

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Unveiled Artist

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Firelight said:
Which Bible does? My Bible doesn’t have the term homosexual. It’s the OP that is “labeling” homosexuals in that manner, and most of us understand what the OP is saying.
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All English bibles use the term homosexuality to define any person (straight, gay, etc) who engages in same sex sex.
 
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Unveiled Artist

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Firelight said:
It’s the word used in the OP. In order to actually be a part of the discussion, you need to go with the OP. Right now, you are raising your own question or problem within the thread of someone else. Why don’t you go start your own separate thread over the biblical definition of homosexuality or whatever it is you are arguing about? This thread isn’t about that.
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I am not.

Which conversation are you following of mine?

I'm not sure why you're approaching your point the way you are. Give me a sec and I'll show you the line of thinking related to the OP.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Firelight said:
It’s the word used in the OP. In order to actually be a part of the discussion, you need to go with the OP. Right now, you are raising your own question or problem within the thread of someone else. Why don’t you go start your own separate thread over the biblical definition of homosexuality or whatever it is you are arguing about? This thread isn’t about that.
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My original reply to the OP is post #2. Not sure why you're commenting on my discussion with DNB like this. Conversations on RF do change a lot.

What is the inherent point you're trying to make?
 
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Lain

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viole said:
So, if they are not born like that, what else led them to homosexuality?
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In my opinion I'd say any disordered desire or thought pattern comes from the world, the flesh, or the devil. Also it can possibly be the result of one's own acts, so in that sense it can be chosen.
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Lain said:
In my opinion I'd say any disordered desire or thought pattern comes from the world, the flesh, or the devil. Also it can possibly be the result of one's own acts, so in that sense it can be chosen.
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What do you mean with "disordered"? Do you see homosexuality as a disorder?

I live very close to a farm, and it is not rare to see homosexual behaviour among the cows, dogs and so. Do you think it could be because of the world, the flesh or the devil, too?

More importantly, why do we have that temptation enabled by God? There are many things in our perception of things that we consider really bad, and no temptation can bring us to do them, so why did God let that open to choice? And why I feel I cannot possibly choose to make sex with another woman?

Ciao

- viole
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Lain said:
In my opinion I'd say any disordered desire or thought pattern comes from the world, the flesh, or the devil. Also it can possibly be the result of one's own acts, so in that sense it can be chosen.
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I'm still confused here.

How is the biology of a human become disordered based on the object of attraction?

If you and I saw a cute person and had the same reaction how does the person we are looking at change how, say, doctors should diagnoses us?

They thought homosexuals we're disordered in the US not too long ago and now we know better.

How did you connect the two?

Even the bible doesnt speak on whose disordered based on attraction and doesn't speak on sexual orientation.
 
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rational experiences

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In the beginning the holy womb mother took the spirit sacrifice away.

Natural status earths gas light burning was voided in the vacuum.

Was the first earth heavens status about the gas spiritual body immaculate clear gas burning.

Was not a human scientific after thought it was first advice.

Not human.

Same sex sex in the bible is a female is a female human. And a man in a man human.

Human X two is first natural observation.

A human is the holy notification.

Sex defines the type of human life body.

The female creator human O life cell ovary the God body

Man's seed gets spilled by his penis.

Descriptions of the medical sexual human.

Man having sex with man begot no holy human baby. A teaching.

Relativity.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Lain said:
In my opinion I'd say any disordered desire or thought pattern comes from the world, the flesh, or the devil. Also it can possibly be the result of one's own acts, so in that sense it can be chosen.
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It's like saying hunger (no pun) for apples is fine but oranges isn't. So the nature of the hunger depends on what a person's taste buds decides to eat. If one doesn't like oranges how are their taste buds disordered?

Usually when we have a disorder it's something that limits us health wise. Something needing to be treated if it interferes with a person's life.
 
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pearl

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DNB said:
Homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle, as much as promiscuity or S&M, or any other sexual practice that is not derived from love for the person, and reverence for the Creator's design and purpose for the universe and all that it contains.
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Here you have made a judgment that clearly demonstrates your complete misunderstanding of a homosexual union, wrongly assuming that is is not a relationship of mutual love.
 
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Lain

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viole said:
What do you mean with "disordered"? Do you see homosexuality as a disorder?

I live very close to a farm, and it is not rare to see homosexual behaviour among the cows, dogs and so. Do you think it could be because of the world, the flesh or the devil, too?

More importantly, why do we have that temptation enabled by God? There are many things in our perception of things that we consider really bad, and no temptation can bring us to do them, so why did God let that open to choice? And why I feel I cannot possibly choose to make sex with another woman?

Ciao

- viole
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That is by definition (concerning the irrational animals) "the world," at least part of it.

We have temptations in order to grow in the contrary virtue, He desires various sorts of people (hence the variety in all things caused by God's differing expressions of His will toward them), and since all the virtues grow together it's fine if some are not what He permits to try you (for all trials are of His permission but never what a person can not handle at least with His assistance).
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Lain said:
That is by definition (concerning the irrational animals) "the world," at least part of it.

We have temptations in order to grow in the contrary virtue, He desires various sorts of people (hence the variety in all things caused by God's differing expressions of His will toward them), and since all the virtues grow together it's fine if some are not what He permits to try you (for all trials are of His permission but never what a person can not handle at least with His assistance).
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Yes, but what about your "disorder" comment? Do you consider homosexuality a disorder? What do you mean with that?

Ciao

- viole
 
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Lain

Well-Known Member
Unveiled Artist said:
I'm still confused here.

How is the biology of a human become disordered based on the object of attraction?

If you and I saw a cute person and had the same reaction how does the person we are looking at change how, say, doctors should diagnoses us?

They thought homosexuals we're disordered in the US not too long ago and now we know better.

How did you connect the two?

Even the bible doesnt speak on whose disordered based on attraction and doesn't speak on sexual orientation.
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By "disorder" I basically mean "it departs from God," for example I'd say lying is disordered, or murder is disordered. It has massive overlap (I say this for perhaps at some point it doesn't) with the idea of sin. But a desire to do an act which is disordered is itself disordered to me because they all go against what a human should be (as determined by God in my view), so a compulsive liar has a disordered desire.

All acts are determined by their objects, the object of an act makes it the kind of act it is. I do not really mean medical disorder although I am not sure if doctors diagnosed people with this concept of disorder in mind at all, I don't think they did so whatever they meant would be something else.

Tagging @viole as this answers her question too.
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Lain said:
By "disorder" I basically mean "it departs from God," for example I'd say lying is disordered, or murder is disordered. It has massive overlap (I say this for perhaps at some point it doesn't) with the idea of sin. But a desire to do an act which is disordered is itself disordered to me because they all go against what a human should be (as determined by God in my view), so a compulsive liar has a disordered desire.

All acts are determined by their objects, the object of an act makes it the kind of act it is. I do not really mean medical disorder although I am not sure if doctors diagnosed people with this concept of disorder in mind at all, I don't think they did so whatever they meant would be something else.

Tagging @viole as this answers her question too.
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So, homosexuality is at the same level as, say, contraception? Or love with whom we love most, aka masturbation?

Ciao

- viole
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Lain said:
By "disorder" I basically mean "it departs from God," for example I'd say lying is disordered, or murder is disordered. It has massive overlap (I say this for perhaps at some point it doesn't) with the idea of sin. But a desire to do an act which is disordered is itself disordered to me because they all go against what a human should be (as determined by God in my view), so a compulsive liar has a disordered desire.

All acts are determined by their objects, the object of an act makes it the kind of act it is. I do not really mean medical disorder although I am not sure if doctors diagnosed people with this concept of disorder in mind at all, I don't think they did so whatever they meant would be something else.

Tagging @viole as this answers her question too.
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That leads to the question of intent. Straight people can have sane sex sex too so they would depart from God even in marriage for what they do?

Murder, abuse, and take (per scripture) hurts other people. Promisquity I understand it's unclean. There's a scripture that says one can sin even in their thoughts.

I would assume sin needs a thought component or people in self defense would be just as guilty as two people who love each other who is intimate by same sex sex (not specific to gay people).

Does intention matter to the scriptural God?

We have our cultural, generational, and experiential bias but I believe people are confirming their bias by scripture.

One example is God hurting people who disagrees with him. Why believers don't follow that example but they do the good things?
 
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Unveiled Artist

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viole said:
So, homosexuality is at the same level as, say, contraception? Or love with whom we love most, aka masturbation?

Ciao

- viole
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That's fine. Not all like masturbation and other types of sexual practices outside vaginal intercourse. My concern though is relating it to murder (incest and rape per bible) even though the intent is not present in most serious relationships gay or straight.
 
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Lain

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viole said:
So, homosexuality is at the same level as, say, contraception? Or love with whom we love most, aka masturbation?

Ciao

- viole
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Not sure if it's on the same level, ranking objects like that is difficult for me, but it would be disordered according to me along with those. Basically any sexual act is disordered (or any desire consented to for said sexual acts, which is the definition of lust) which does not conform to God's one rule on the matter, "the only moral sexual act is natural marital relations open to life." This applies universally in my view, so all of these things would be condemned (in the RCC at least).
 
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Subduction Zone

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Lain said:
Not sure if it's on the same level, ranking objects like that is difficult for me, but it would be disordered according to me along with those. Basically any sexual act is disordered (or any desire consented to for said sexual acts, which is the definition of lust) which does not conform to God's one rule on the matter, "the only moral sexual act is natural marital relations open to life." This applies universally in my view, so all of these things would be condemned (in the RCC at least).
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Ah yes. The sex is evil disease.
 
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