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I tried it about 40 years ago for sinus problems and it seemed to help but I gave it up because the cost was interfering with my ability to purchase alcohol and pot which I deemed more important than breathing.
Subduction Zone
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It is wise to have reasonable priorities.
She was getting acupuncture for arthritis. Evaluation of acupuncture for the treatment of pain associated with naturally-occurring osteoarthritis in dogs: a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled, blinded clinical trial | BMC Veterinary Research | Full Text shows some improvement based on certain measures which we observed as well.
Based on Bonferroni adjusted F-tests (with p < 0.05), evidence of differences was identified for several CMI comparisons. Specifically, client specific outcome measure (CSOM) data showed evidence of a difference between baseline and treatment as well as between treatment and placebo (Table 1). There was also a significant difference observed between baseline and treatment for CBPI PSS and CBPI PIS data; however, significant differences were not observed for the comparison between treatment and placebo. For the latter, a statistically significant difference was also observed during the placebo phase and the differences observed here were confirmed with the Bonferroni adjusted F-test.
Effect of acupuncture on pain and quality of life in canine neurological and musculoskeletal diseases
Use of acupuncture alone or in combination with analgesics reduced pain and improved quality of life in dogs with neurological and musculoskeletal diseases.
An acupuncturist put needles in the LI20 points for my sinuses and they open right up for a time. I can do that myself with acupressure and find it helps.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I am not getting that from the paper that you linked. More important were statements such as this:
"We rejected our hypothesis because we were unable to detect evidence of differences in the objective outcome measures OGA, SOS, and AC. "
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Conclusions
In this study model, acupuncture did not improve weight-bearing on the primarily affected limb, increase activity as measured by accelerometry, or improve subjective orthopedic scores; however, an owner-perceived improvement in pain and function was identified."
Some owners perceived an improvement, but owners can very easily be biased.
And worse yet, there were no placebo acupuncture treatments:
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Placebo protocol
The duration of the placebo treatment visits (time away from the owner) was the same amount of time as the acupuncture treatment visits. No sham acupuncture (i.e. insertion of needles into non-acupuncture points) treatment was performed; however, the patient was kept in the same room where the acupuncture was performed, unkenneled and with a staff member that also assisted in the acupuncture treatments, for the same period of time it would take to perform the acupuncture. The acupuncturist did not have contact with the patients during the placebo phase of the study and to ascertain owner blinding, patients were always received by a staff member other than the acupuncturist."
How can one have a placebo treatment when no placebo is given? I am sorry, but this study was simply not done properly. Even if they had results it may not be due to acupuncture but merely due to randomly sticking needles in a dog.
I know this one. Steve McQueen's character mentions him in "The Magnificent Seven". The guy says, "It seemed like a good idea at the time." Or something like that.
If I use phonograph needles for acupuncture on my hands can I play guitar like Jeff Beck?
I remember I got one of those things on me once. They're hard to get rid of once they stick to you.
I have had some experience with them too. There are tiny thorns on some that are hard to see and even harder to remove.
I see @Subduction Zone did not comment on the 2nd reference that was about pain. I'm sure I can find more positive studies if I wanted to.
Scrap iron show ended.
Abby Normal is always fashionable.
To be recycled for next year?
Don't pain yourself.
I have a pain remover asleep at my feet. She removes pain and I don't need a placebo-controlled peer-reviewed study to tell me how I'm feeling about her and what she does for me.