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God= Higher states of Consciousness

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine :) But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,

So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)

Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Reminds me of pantheism. My own beliefs are panentheistic.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I now know how you are defining "God" but I have no idea how you're defining "far." Ohio, US is roughly 3,800 miles from Norway. I would call that far.
:p

It seems like your understanding of the concept of "God" and my understanding of "God" or higher state of consciousness is closer than it has seemed before, and that may have been caused by the lack of understanding about what "God" actually is. by me.
 

Sirona

Hindu Wannabe
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine :) But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,

So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)

Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?

1. I know you're not a Hindu so I can't expect you to accept the rules for the Hinduism DIR, but IMHO the basis for a civilized spiritual discussion is the basic acceptance that the other's spiritual experience is valid. Not "higher", not "lower", but equally valid.

2. On a personal level, it's getting somewhat tiresome to always hear the same loop of tape about how exceptionally high one's spiritual training/experience allegedly has become. Maybe some people get a kick out of such a statement, but I think its totally useless. Those who "have seen", "have seen". There's no need to prove this to each other. There's an idiotic Hare Krishna rule I've learned about how to treat other spiritual people, but it may serve as a rule of thumb here. If they're more advanced than you, pay them outward respect (usually by bowing down). If they are of the same level as you are, treat them as equals by seeking their friendship. If there's somebody you perceive "inferior" to you, treat them with compassion and treat them as if they were superior, by mentally bowing down to them in your heart.

Again, this is a specific Hindu rule so I can't expect you to follow it but I think the two statements I made might be a good basis for civilized discussion.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
1. I know you're not a Hindu so I can't expect you to accept the rules for the Hinduism DIR, but IMHO the basis for a civilized spiritual discussion is the basic acceptance that the other's spiritual experience is valid. Not "higher", not "lower", but equally valid.

2. On a personal level, it's getting somewhat tiresome to always hear the same loop of tape about how exceptionally high one's spiritual training/experience allegedly has become. Maybe some people get a kick out of such a statement, but I think its totally useless. Those who "have seen", "have seen". There's no need to prove this to each other. There's an idiotic Hare Krishna rule I've learned about how to treat other spiritual people, but it may serve as a rule of thumb here. If they're more advanced than you, pay them outward respect (usually by bowing down). If they are of the same level as you are, treat them as equals by seeking their friendship. If there's somebody you perceive "inferior" to you, treat them with compassion and treat them as if they were superior, by mentally bowing down to them in your heart.

Again, this is a specific Hindu rule so I can't expect you to follow it but I think the two statements I made might be a good basic for civilized discussion.
Even I am not a Hindu as you say, what you write here made perfect sense to me :) And they are good rules for living a respectable life.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine :) But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,

So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)

Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?

I would ask what does that mean?

Just as a student asks of her teacher when she can't understand a concept she's interested in exploring.

The first thing I think of is mind/thoughts and awareness in regards to consciousness. I dont like the dichotomy of higher/lower, divine/mundane,spiritual/humanist etc so that's in part why I don't understand it.

Educate the savage.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)
What happens to my thoughts is an agreement, with some qualifications. I think a better way to say it would be that the Realization of God, or the Divine, is a higher state of consciousness than is the ignorance of the Divine. The Divine itself is Consciousness in the singular, and is neither higher nor lower. It is IS.

We all are expressions of that single Consciousness, and as individual forms, we experience in our minds both lower and higher states of that single Consciousness. If we are being 'self-centered' for instance, we see less of that Light. If we have emptied ourselves of self-involvement and attachments, we are able to see more, or 'higher' states of consciousness.

But "God" is the "All That Is" and is neither higher nor lower. Higher and lower are relative to ourselves in our own minds, which filters that singular Light, like a prism separating that Light into separate colors. We may see more light or less light depending how narrowly we let that light shine through. Higher and lower are perceptual realities, relative to the seer.

And yes, God is within all that is, because God is All That Is. There can be no gaps in that. Any lack of the Divine in reality, is simply ignorance of the mind, a not-seeing of That, and is not Reality, or That Which Is.
 
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Lain

Well-Known Member
So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)

"No. Well... God has a mind and it is infinitely higher than ours. There is an infinite gap and His state is not achievable."

Those were my thoughts.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I would ask what does that mean?

Just as a student asks of her teacher when she can't understand a concept she's interested in exploring.

The first thing I think of is mind/thoughts and awareness in regards to consciousness. I dont like the dichotomy of higher/lower, divine/mundane,spiritual/humanist etc so that's in part why I don't understand it.

Educate the savage.
There is always the opportunity to change it in to pure consciousness, meaning that in the state of mind of a human being one can have a lot more pure consciousness, nothing can tip over a pure consciousness.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine :) But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,

So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)

Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?
I'm not sure how slapping the label "God" on "a higher state of consciousness" would be coherent or meaningful. Using the term this way would be likely to cause confusion, IMO.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I'm not sure how slapping the label "God" on "a higher state of consciousness" would be coherent or meaningful. Using the term this way would be likely to cause confusion, IMO.
It is the other way around, It seems like some people are allergic to the word God, so instead of saying God, it is an attempt to explain what @Conscious thought realized what the "God thing" really is.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
There is always the opportunity to change it in to pure consciousness, meaning that in the state of mind of a human being one can have a lot more pure consciousness, nothing can tip over a pure consciousness.

I'll be honest CT that a synonym rather than a definition. It's like using mystical jargon to talk about a concept it's hard for you to define.

Why do you use spiritual jargon to describe a state of mind without ego?

I think people would understand the latter than using the words god, divine, etc to describe the same concept (when talking to people not aligned with your mindset). These are vague subjective terms...not so much a group of people can't understand it just the way it's understood (say God) is subjective and different.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I think we need to be wary of assuming that "higher" states of consciousness are superior states of consciousness. Especially when the higher state we are referring to is our own.
 
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