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The Flood & Worldwide Festivals of the Dead — the connection.

Colt

Colt

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Rival said:
I imagine these cultures would have moulded the narrative to suit their own cultures, including name changes and introducing different understandings etc.
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The reason all culture have flood stories is because there have been endless great floods which impacted regions. primitive religions thought there was a supernatural explanation for everything.
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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cOLTER said:
The reason all culture have flood stories is because there have been endless great floods which impacted regions. primitive religions thought there was a supernatural explanation for everything.
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Or maybe there was a massive flood :shrug: :grin:
 
Colt

Colt

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Rival said:
Or maybe there was a massive flood :shrug: :grin:
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Maybe a much smaller common flood legend in Mesopotamia that was exploited and expanded by the Israelites when they were finalizing their story of origins in Babylon?
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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cOLTER said:
Maybe a much smaller common flood legend in Mesopotamia that was exploited and expanded by the Israelites when they were finalizing their story of origins in Babylon?
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I don't believe in the DH.

That feels rebellious these days :cool:
 
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Colt

Colt

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Rival said:
I don't believe in the DH theory.

That feels rebellious these days :cool:
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I don't believe in the vastly exaggerated history of the Israelites written by the kind of nationalist priest class that rejected the prophets and executed the Son of God because he dared to stand up to them.

The DH is a polite way of saying what actually happened. They recast an ordinary secular history into a miraculous fiction. In doing so the secular history books mentioned in what remains of the scripture books vanished from history.
 
Rival

Rival

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cOLTER said:
The DH is a polite way of saying what actually happened.
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No, it's a hypothesis that many people believe.

There are still those who believe in Mosaic authorship. It's a prerequisite of Orthodox Judaism.
 
Colt

Colt

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Rival said:
No, it's a hypothesis that many people believe.

There are still those who believe in Mosaic authorship. It's a prerequisite of Orthodox Judaism.
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The DH just shows the redactions and edits. It shows fragments of the original stories that were cooked.
 
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Left Coast

Left Coast

This Is Water
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YoursTrue said:
Here's something again -- :)
Scientific Proof Is A Myth (forbes.com)
You might actually want to read it. :)
In part, "But as validating as that is — and as powerful as it is to falsify alternatives — it's completely impossible to prove anything in science." Completely impossible. Com-plete-ly impossible. Completely. I am so glad I followed these discussions on RF -- as I have often said, when I was in school, college biology classes, I thought everything they taught was TRUE. T-r-u-e. I was a scholarship student. I thought they were telling me the absolute truth. Without doubt. As you guys and gals have taught me here -- "it's completely impossible to prove anything in science." :) (Forbes.)
I honestly did not know that when I was taking biology in school. Again, I thought everything they taught me was true. No teacher ever said maybe it's not true. Or -- things can change -- because it's all based on theoretical posits and analysis. And these are not written in stone. (So to speak...hehe. Brings me back to dating procedures, oh well.) Nope. not one conjecture as I have been reading in the textbooks (college textbooks on evolution) is proven. It may seem rational, but -- it is not proven. And can change. So thanks again.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, exactly.

Do you think that because things in science are not proven the way they are in math and logic, that therefore this validates your evidence-free belief in a global flood? That because we can't prove that something didn't happen, that therefore you're rationally justified in believing it did?

You understand that neither of those things follow, right?
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Left Coast said:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, exactly.

Do you think that because things in science are not proven the way they are in math and logic, that therefore this validates your evidence-free belief in a global flood? That because we can't prove that something didn't happen, that therefore you're rationally justified in believing it did?

You understand that neither of those things follow, right?
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I'm thinking that, according to science, nothing, absolutely nothing can be proved. Now that apparently is true. Nothing can be proved. So -- although it may seem as if there is evidence for a postulation, it is not a certainty. Ever. Even if it were considered a certainty, absolute, undoubtable, it - is - not.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
danieldemol said:
Did you read all 21 counter-arguments?
Correct me of im wrong, but I dont think all 21 referred exclusively to YEC arguments.

So if you've managed to point out 1 that doesn't apply you only have a further 20 to sort through.

In my opinion.
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I read those arguments -- none of them make sense. At all.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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YoursTrue said:
I'm thinking that, according to science, nothing, absolutely nothing can be proved. Now that apparently is true. Nothing can be proved. So -- although it may seem as if there is evidence for a postulation, it is not a certainty. Ever. Even if it were considered a certainty, absolute, undoubtable, it - is - not.
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Technically you are correct. But one would be a fool to ignore the sciences. As I like to say, are you going to step off of a cliff because science cannot prove gravity?

Ignoring evolution is an even bigger mistake.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Left Coast said:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, exactly.

Do you think that because things in science are not proven the way they are in math and logic, that therefore this validates your evidence-free belief in a global flood? That because we can't prove that something didn't happen, that therefore you're rationally justified in believing it did?

You understand that neither of those things follow, right?
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That is correct -- if none of the postulates can be guaranteed to be correct (and of course there are many theories out there, even conjectures about what happened re: evolution and geology), it doesn't mean they are not correct. Because nothing in science can be proven. If a theory could be proven, that would be a different story. No matter the evidence that some use to support a theory, it does not mean the theory is right or wrong.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Rival said:
Yes, they are not Orthodox synagogues and that is still a controversial philosophy.


No, it's Halacha. If you convert to or are born into Judaism, you are a Jew. If you are a woman, no matter what religion you practice, your children will be considered Jews as far as Halacha/Jewish Law is concerned. This is how it's always been.


Great that you think so.


Because it's expensive; you often have to move to a Jewish area. You have to buy new stuff. You have to go to a Beit Din and it can often take 2+ years for them to approve you. Some folks simply don't want to because it comes with more mitzvot than they want to or feel they can fulfil. Some folks are married to non-Jews who don't want to convert and a conversion would render their marriages sinful. And so on.


No, because that's not a Christian doctrine. We're talking about Judaism, not Christianity.


Because that's literally what Halacha says and how it works.


Kemetic religion doesn't work like this. There is no book that will tell you this kind of stuff. Most 'books' one comes across are more or less loose collections of texts put together by scribes for particular purposes. They didn't write the history of their religion in the way Abrahamic belief has things written.

More importantly, it's a Pagan religion that doesn't rely on writings. You'd have to do your own research, but if you want you can ask questions. Bear in mind there was never one Kemetic religion; there were a bunch of different theologies and understandings depending on where and when one lived in Kemet at the time. Each province had its own theology. There wasn't one Ancient Egyptian religion.
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There is the nation of Israel with its temple before the Romans destroyed it. They were under the law of Moses in general, although the prophets often had a time warning people in that nation if they did not obey the Law. Israel today has its problems in coping with laws stating one's religion, or covenant relationship with God supposedly as a Jew. Fleshly Israel today is not under divine mandate as was the nation back then. If someone is baptized in the Catholic or Protestant religion but then switches to Buddhism, he is no longer Catholic or Protestant. You may say otherwise, that's true, but it doesn't mean that someone who leaves Judaism born to a Jewish mother is still a Jew. But if you want to believe that, and you agree with those who tell you that, that's your choice. Remember that Jesus was put to death because he differed with the mainstream religious leaders of the time. (I'm not going to keep arguing this with you. It's not that important anyway. Sooo, have a good night.)
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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YoursTrue said:
There is the nation of Israel with its temple before the Romans destroyed it. They were under the law of Moses in general, although the prophets often had a time warning people in that nation if they did not obey the Law. Israel today has its problems in coping with laws stating one's religion, or covenant relationship with God supposedly as a Jew. Fleshly Israel today is not under divine mandate as was the nation back then. If someone is baptized in the Catholic or Protestant religion but then switches to Buddhism, he is no longer Catholic or Protestant. You may say otherwise, that's true, but it doesn't mean that someone who leaves Judaism born to a Jewish mother is still a Jew. But if you want to believe that, and you agree with those who tell you that, that's your choice. Remember that Jesus was put to death because he differed with the mainstream religious leaders of the time. (I'm not going to keep arguing this with you. It's not that important anyway. Sooo, have a good night.)
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I see you seem to hate Judaism and the Torah; but what's great is that neither they nor I care and they will continue to actually understand their religion and adhere to the eternal Torah their God gave them that repeatedly says its forever.

À bientôt.
 
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