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Basis of Belief

What is the basis or foundation of your beliefs?

  • Experiential

    Votes: 16 33.3%

  • Scriptural

    Votes: 5 10.4%

  • Dogmatic

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Evidential

    Votes: 18 37.5%

  • Something else (elaborate below)

    Votes: 9 18.8%
  • Total voters
    48
firedragon

firedragon

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PureX said:
The whole story of Eden in Genesis. Man's original sin was not 'disobedience', it was hubris. It was the sin of presuming that we are God's equals, with the requisite knowledge of 'good and evil' and the right to stand in judgment of all creation. And the result that we toil and labor our lives away trying to make creation serve us, as if we were it's master and we know what it's all for, when we are not, and we do not.
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Which verse speaks of "original sin"? I know that genesis speaks of the sin of Adam and Eve, and that even is condemned to have pains and women kind will have pains if you know what I am talking about, and that of the serpent as well etc etc. But where does it speak of "original sin"? Original sin is not just about Adam and Eve sinning and God cursing. It is a whole doctrine as you know.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Then you are probably not analyzing the Bible rationally since it continually fails when one does that. It is full of incorrect science. Failed prophecy, And poor morals to name just a few of its problems.
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Can you explain "poor morals" based on what of your epistemology?
 
VoidCat

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
Reason, morality, experience, evidence all guide my views. Add a little bit of guesswork and a dash of intuition and that's how my beliefs are. Could they be wrong? Sure. Im always open to learning more.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Secret Chief said:
This term is now considered insensitive and has racist overtones.

- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/c...8-facts-about-indigenous-people-in-australia/
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As is often the case the word itself is in no way offensive. It is how people abused the word that it became racist. What I do not like about this is that today's politically correct phrase will become tomorrow's racist phrase if we do not find some way to avoid racism. In the US, we have had "negroes, (to similar to the "N" word) coloreds (and again originally used as a politically correct term but eventually dropped due to people using it in a racist manner) blacks (again the same thing) and right now African American. That too may go the way of others. Unfortunately changing the language does not fix racism.
 
SalixIncendium

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
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Premium Member
Secret Chief said:
This term is now considered insensitive and has racist overtones.
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Insensitive by overly sensitive people.

Aborigine literally means 'original inhabitant' when not capitalized, and when capitalized means indigenous people of Australia.

People need to get over themselves. Seriously.
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
SalixIncendium said:
Insensitive by overly sensitive people.

Aborigine literally means 'original inhabitant' when not capitalized, and when capitalized, means indigenous people of Australia.

People need to get over themselves. Seriously.
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I knew it'd poke somebody. :)

I'd say what matters is whether or not indigenous peoples find it insensitive.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
SalixIncendium said:
Insensitive by overly sensitive people.

Aborigine literally means 'original inhabitant' when not capitalized, and when capitalized means indigenous people of Australia.

People need to get over themselves. Seriously.
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Perhaps, in the US we have had four different terms for just one group. When a word gets poisoned by racism it tends to get abandoned. Though I do sometimes wish that we followed what the comedian Lenny Bruce had to say about the issue:

The original I will put behind a spoiler due to a sensitive word in the title:


And here is an updated version from the movie on Lenny Bruce with Dustin Hoffman playing the role:

 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
SalixIncendium said:
What is the primary basis of your beliefs?*

Do you feel one primary basis or foundation is more correct than another? Why or why not?


*I understand many of you may use a combination of these to form a belief, but I used "primary" in the question above to learn what your go-to or default foundation is, which is why only one poll choice is permitted in this poll.

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My belief is evidential. There is plenty of outer and experiential evidence for my faith. Experiential is part of evidential. It is inner evidence.
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
SalixIncendium said:
What is the primary basis of your beliefs?*

Do you feel one primary basis or foundation is more correct than another? Why or why not?


*I understand many of you may use a combination of these to form a belief, but I used "primary" in the question above to learn what your go-to or default foundation is, which is why only one poll choice is permitted in this poll.

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There are two other ways as well.

- Trusting the person who claims: if one sees the person who made a claim has a upright character.

- seeing wise and well known individuals believed in Him for example, Rumi believed in the Quran. One can say, since wise and exceptional individuals believed in the Quran, I can take this as an evidence.
 
John D. Brey

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Secret Chief said:
This term is now considered insensitive and has racist overtones.

- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/c...8-facts-about-indigenous-people-in-australia/
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. . . Breathing loudly is now considered racist in some parts. Being alive in other parts. And if you're not a melanoderm you're an inborn racist so they tell me.

I don't feel racist. I don't think racist, so far as I can discern. But they assure me the light color of my skin is inherently offensive and racist. So I tan a lot. Sometimes in Australia with didgeridoo sounds playing on the stereo in the closet. Which they tell me makes me a closet racist. When I swear I'm not a racist, they swear that's proof I am since if I wasn't I wouldn't have to protest when they say I am. So I must be. So forgive me.



John
 
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Segev Moran

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
SalixIncendium said:
What is the primary basis of your beliefs?*
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I see myself a secular or a "critical thinker".
Do you feel one primary basis or foundation is more correct than another? Why or why not?
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Yes.
I think the primary basis should be acknowledgement sciences.
This means, the basis should be based on things that portray reality as we know it and not wish to know.
*I understand many of you may use a combination of these to form a belief, but I used "primary" in the question above to learn what your go-to or default foundation is, which is why only one poll choice is permitted in this poll.
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For the sake of honesty, I do believe there is god, I am not considered a "religious" Jew.
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Segev
 
Link

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Knowing God comes from remembering something we witnessed before coming to this world and he remains in our sight, but there is levels of witnessing and weathers of manifestations.

It's a memory that is not located in the mind, but at the heart of who we are as human beings.

So that option is left out, remembrance.
 
sealchan

sealchan

Well-Known Member
SalixIncendium said:
What is the primary basis of your beliefs?*

Do you feel one primary basis or foundation is more correct than another? Why or why not?


*I understand many of you may use a combination of these to form a belief, but I used "primary" in the question above to learn what your go-to or default foundation is, which is why only one poll choice is permitted in this poll.

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The basis of my belief is in truth is poly-modal and arises primarily from four different neuronal systems of information processing, namely CG Jung's four functions: thinking, feeling, sensation and intuition. These four domains of truth are partially overlapping and may in combination yield potentially contradictory statements. No single rational system of truth (mono-modal) can be comprehensive although some modes of truth can be shown in certain areas to be superior to others. Our primary means of communicating truth is through language irrespective of the truth's functional basis.
 
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