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How Close Did Chinese Military Jets Really Get to Taiwan?

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Here's a fact filled analysis. You can compare it to any media outlet you choose. The facts indicate that China is not being as aggressive as it would have seemed from the typical media report.

How Close Did Chinese Military Jets Really Get to Taiwan?


The flights were unprecedented—but not quite as brazen as they may have seemed.

What the Chinese planes crossed was Taiwan’s air defense identification zone, or ADIZ, and the distinction is not a mere technicality; it is enormous, and all the parties—U.S., Chinese, and Taiwanese military officials—know it, whatever scare tactics they might be tossing up to a frazzled public.

“Airspace” is a concept of international law, referring to a line 12 nautical miles (about 13.8 statutory miles) beyond a nation’s border. An ADIZ is an area—usually much farther out from the borders—within which a nation declares it has the authority to identify, track, and control foreign aircraft approaching its territory. Roughly 20 nations have established an ADIZ, and they define its scope differently. The U.S. zone extends 200 miles beyond its borders. Taiwan’s covers all of the Taiwan Strait, part of the East China Sea, and a section of mainland China’s Fujian and Zhejiang provinces. No one would claim that the sky above those provinces is “Taiwanese airspace.”

Whenever some of these planes include combat planes, the Taiwanese air force sends up its own jet fighters to warn them away. In most previous cases, the Chinese have sent mainly reconnaissance planes. This week, though, the vast majority of the planes were jet fighters, bombers, and anti-submarine aircrafts. In short, China’s behavior seems more strenuous and aggressive.
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However, Fravel emphasizes, these planes have never flown over Taiwan’s actual airspace. Chinese President Xi Jinping and his generals may be haughty, but they don’t appear to be reckless.
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The flights should also be viewed in the context of China’s broader military strategy, which most analysts see as a strategy of “area denial.” This means keeping adversaries—chiefly U.S. air and naval forces—as far away from China as possible. One way the Chinese military has done this is expanding the number and range of missiles and other devices (including cybertechnologies) that can attack U.S. warships and combat planes within firing range of its borders. Another way is building artificial islands out in the South China Sea, turning them into military bases, and claiming sovereign rights over the new lands so that they are no longer part of international waters. The United States has challenged this claim, sending warships on patrol nearby and insisting that these areas are open to international commerce and navigation. If war ever breaks out between the U.S. and China, it might begin with one of these challenges, or a Chinese counterchallenge.
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A fitting P.S.: How many Chinese planes flew over Taiwan’s air defense identification zone on Tuesday, the day after the highest-ever 56 flights on Monday? According to Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense, one flight—just one. (There probably won’t be many headlines about that.) Was the cause of all the fear and trembling merely a weekend air party? Is it all over now, or will there be another 50 flights tomorrow? The fact is, those 133 Chinese flights over the zone on Friday through Monday—and the single flight on Tuesday—comprise but a small piece of the grand competition, and not a very important one at that
 

esmith

Veteran Member
China is serious to the point of invasion to take over Taiwan what they consider as Chinese territory.
However one has to ask is would the US or any other country oppose such aggression.
 

mangalavara

सो ऽहम्
Premium Member
This is a very informative and helpful article. I have explained to a family member that the Taiwanese in general are not frightened by PRC's jets or threats, which are just PRC's ways of attempting to influence public opinion in Taiwan. I will definitely use this article to show that family member that the media is just being sensational. This is important to me because I intend to get a teaching job in Taiwan, and the family member thinks PRC will invade soon.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
China is serious to the point of invasion to take over Taiwan what they consider as Chinese territory.
However one has to ask is would the US or any other country oppose such aggression.
Taiwan currently has a military alliance with the US that is backed with nuclear force IIRC.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
China is serious to the point of invasion to take over Taiwan what they consider as Chinese territory.
However one has to ask is would the US or any other country oppose such aggression.
The US is obligated to respond to the defense of Taiwan.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
China is serious to the point of invasion to take over Taiwan what they consider as Chinese territory.
However one has to ask is would the US or any other country oppose such aggression.
It is a nasty position. It's not just a war fought "over there" with bullets and bombs, it can hit here if China stops exports to America. Or just about anywhere else that steps in.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Taiwan currently has a military alliance with the US that is backed with nuclear force IIRC.

The US is obligated to respond to the defense of Taiwan.

Seems some need to research prior to making a statement.
The U.S. does not have a military alliance with Taiwan nor is the US obligated to respond to the defense of Taiwan
Facts:
In 1954 the US signed the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty
In 1979 President Jimmy Carter nulified this treaty and signed the Taiwan Relations Act and broke off relations between the United States and the Republic of China on Taiwan.
above taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Seems some need to research prior to making a statement.
The U.S. does not have a military alliance with Taiwan nor is the US obligated to respond to the defense of Taiwan
Facts:
In 1954 the US signed the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty
In 1979 President Jimmy Carter nulified this treaty and signed the Taiwan Relations Act and broke off relations between the United States and the Republic of China on Taiwan.
above taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

Times change. Best to keep up to date.

Taiwan says U.S. commitment is 'rock solid' after Biden remark on China's Xi


S.3936 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Taiwan Defense Act
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Seems some need to research prior to making a statement.
The U.S. does not have a military alliance with Taiwan nor is the US obligated to respond to the defense of Taiwan
Facts:
In 1954 the US signed the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty
In 1979 President Jimmy Carter nulified this treaty and signed the Taiwan Relations Act and broke off relations between the United States and the Republic of China on Taiwan.
above taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act
So Taiwan is of no interest to the US, correct?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
So Taiwan is of no interest to the US, correct?
Not saying that. What I'm saying is that the US and Taiwan do not have a treaty that says the US will defend Taiwan.
Don't try your mealy-mouth tactics on me.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Not saying that. What I'm saying is that the US and Taiwan do not have a treaty that says the US will defend Taiwan.
And I'm saying that therefore, I don't think it's of interest to the US to begin with.

Don't try your mealy-mouth tactics on me.
If you can't respond to people without personal attacks, maybe don't?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
And I'm saying that therefore, I don't think it's of interest to the US to begin with.


If you can't respond to people without personal attacks, maybe don't?
Ok with me.
However your comment "So Taiwan is of no interest to the US, correct?" is what the definition of mealy-mouth is.
mealy-mouth...afraid to speak frankly or straightforwardly.
 

Regiomontanus

Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
China is serious to the point of invasion to take over Taiwan what they consider as Chinese territory.
However one has to ask is would the US or any other country oppose such aggression.

Oppose yes, but not if that meant war. Going to war with China would be suicidal, among other things.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Oppose yes, but not if that meant war. Going to war with China would be suicidal, among other things.
Seems somewhere in histor, about 82 years ago, there was a country that invaded other countries and nothing was said.
How did that turn out?
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Ok with me.
However your comment "So Taiwan is of no interest to the US, correct?" is what the definition of mealy-mouth is.
mealy-mouth...afraid to speak frankly or straightforwardly.
So you admit you were engaging in personal attacks with the intention to insult me.
 
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