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What response did you give the sent ones?

Putting yourself on the day of judgment, God asks you what response did you give the sent ones?

  • I was busy with work, pleasures, hobbies, didn't have time to learn everything they taught.

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  • I convinced I believed in their teachings but didn't apply it seriously.

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  • I sought scholars opinions on what they taught but wasn't too aware of their own words.

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  • I know they had powers but thought they are evil since they are judgmental and teach hellfire.

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  • I heard about miracles, I didn't see or seek any in the present and so assumed it was all stories.

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  • Total voters
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InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Is there much of a distinction?

The distinction between personality disorder and mental illness | The British Journal of Psychiatry | Cambridge Core

Conclusions: The historical reasons for regarding personality disorders as fundamentally different from mental illnesses are being undermined by both clinical and genetic evidence. Effective treatments for personality disorders would probably have a decisive influence on psychiatrists' attitudes.

Personality disorders - Symptoms and causes
Yes, as far as I know personality disorders are not mental illnesses.
In Mental illness, there are abnormalities in the brain, such as chemical imbalance. Some of such illnesses can even be seen in imaging. But the brain of a person who has personality disorder may be completely normal. It is just their personality. A person who has hallucinations can not be said, He has just personality disorder. But it is a mental illness, meaning something physically wrong with the brain or nervous system.
Right?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The Quran talks about this question. People will be asked what response they gave to the sent ones.

Hypothetically you are there and in your current state is your death state, and so what will be your response?

Actually I didn't respond at all and didn't know I needed to.

I received Jesus as Lord and Savior because I needed a savior from my sin and I knew from the Bible that He could provide it. More full knowledge came later.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Because the Jews don't accept him and he himself, according to the Gospels, claimed to be more than a prophet, which he certainly wasn't imo. He doesn't fit in the Jewish paradigm and he doesn't fit their definition of the Mashiach - and since Mashiach is who he claimed to be and according to Judaism he clearly wasn't, he's out for being wrong.

I believe you are relying on the people who are wrong about Jesus. That makes no sense at all.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
This just a question that if Islam is true and day of judgment happens and it's proven it's not illusion or magic or sorcery happening what excuse would you offer?

I believe even if Islam is proven to be true it will not save the person adhering to it.

Luke 11:30 For as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so will the Son of Man be to this generation. 31 The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here. 32 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
He claimed this his kingdom is not of this world etc.

Because the Jews were given the Torah and they were thus given the keys to understanding, in this paradigm, the true religion. They have the learning and the language etc. They know it best and if they say someone is not a prophet, he's not a prophet, imo.

I believe that is very amusing. Jews are right because they are Jews. It must be magic, lol
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
You failed to adequately identify who the genuine 'sent ones' were from the countless people who falsely claim to be among the 'sent ones', so clearly you didn't really care whether or not I got the message.

Practically speaking I only know of one sent one and that is Jesus.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe that is very amusing. Jews are right because they are Jews. It must be magic, lol
It's because for over 1000 years before your religion existed, they had been studying their scriptures and knew them back to front and what to expect. I don't have any clue why Christians think Jesus is the messiah because he didn't do one thing the Tanakh says the messiah is meant to do. That's the argument the Jews made at the time and it's the argument they're making now. Christians still haven't given a good argument to Jesus' messiahship that doesn't involve miracles or rising from the dead, two things the messiah isn't specified to do.
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Yes, as far as I know personality disorders are not mental illnesses.
In Mental illness, there are abnormalities in the brain, such as chemical imbalance. Some of such illnesses can even be seen in imaging. But the brain of a person who has personality disorder may be completely normal. It is just their personality. A person who has hallucinations can not be said, He has just personality disorder. But it is a mental illness, meaning something physically wrong with the brain or nervous system.
Right?
Perhaps it is just a personal view, but an informed one I think, as to seeing all such things as mental illnesses. Since I believe I had depression, social phobia, and an avoidant personality disorder at one time - all gone now and not due to any clinical therapy. Definitions seem to change every other year too.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Yes anyone can. But who really would want to?

The best proof is the actions of the person after that declaration. The declaration normally contains the intent of the Message. We can easily determine the scope of that Message.

Regards Tony

The message contains torturous punishment in hell for just not believing that the message is divinely sent,this seems more like a human threat to control.

It’s also filled with fantastical stories like talking ants (Islam),a stick that turns into a snake (Moses) and Jesus walking on water for example it still stems from a human afaik.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
To just listen to the words of a person who is seen as a prophet may nor reveal a proof that they are a prophet, but when a person starts to practice the teaching the prophet comes with, that is when the truth arises, dedication to practice love and kindness, to realize that the teaching when properly practice will change each persons heart.
in the beginning, there will be hundreds of questions but the more a person practice the religious teaching and change their attitude and way of behaving, that is when the word of the prophet can be seen as the truth.

Of course if a person goes into it with the thought "this is fake, this is not the truth, people are crazy for listening to this. then there will not be revealed any truth to this person, because they already have closed their mind to that only the physical realm is real, so all spiritual must be fake.

What a horrid thought that we will be tortured in the flames of hell for believing it’s fake,I take comfort though that you don’t need a message from a self proclaimed prophet from history to be a good person without the fear of hell to subjugate you.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The Quran talks about this question. People will be asked what response they gave to the sent ones.

Hypothetically you are there and in your current state is your death state, and so what will be your response?
What sent ones? Nobody sent anyone.. though lot of fake claims were there.
God will then be pleased by me not being misled by fake propaganda and send me directly to heaven... Those who believed in sent ones though...
:p
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
What a horrid thought that we will be tortured in the flames of hell for believing it’s fake,I take comfort though that you don’t need a message from a self proclaimed prophet from history to be a good person without the fear of hell to subjugate you.
I think you misunderstood me a little, all I said was that to know if a self-proclaimed prophet truly is a prophet in its right manner, one would have to follow and practice the teaching.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
But isn’t what I said part of the message?.
Only God knows who will experience what is called hell. It is not up to me to judge others and say they will go to hell for not believing, If I did that I am the one who might end up there :oops:
Hell in my understanding is that by following only the ego and not wanting to become free from suffering by example follow religious teaching, that is where one may never come out of suffering.and what is called Hell.
Hell = Suffering
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The message contains torturous punishment in hell for just not believing that the message is divinely sent,this seems more like a human threat to control.

It’s also filled with fantastical stories like talking ants (Islam),a stick that turns into a snake (Moses) and Jesus walking on water for example it still stems from a human afaik.

Then we have our intelligence. We also have their advice that they came for spiritual instruction. Thus it is up to us to consider what they offered in a spiritual light.

Personally I have had no need to Ponder deeply on the Metephor given in the past, as I have put my focus into a message that addresses the needs for our age.

But when scripture talks about a staff being turned into a snake, we are told to look at what are the properties of a staff, what is it used for what are the attributes of a snake that it was turned into.

The Staff also brought water from a rock and also parted the red sea. So there is Metephor to be found in Water, Rock and Sea as well.

We can then see a different picture of what was been offered by Moses in those Metephors.

In the end, it all means that by the Power invested in Moses by God, Moses was able to lead the People to the knowledge of God and overcome the opposition of those that tried to silence that Message.

In this age I can say in all Truth that by the power of the pen, Baha’u’llah brought an end to many of the rulers of the world and set a new direction for humanity. Yet no one will see that, except those that know what Baha'u'llah offered about the power of the pen and how that relates to end their influence and power.

Metephor is used a lot in scriptures, because to explain the spiritual one must use material example. Abdu'lbaha has explained this in detail if you are interested I wil post you a link.

Regards Tony
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Only God knows who will experience what is called hell. It is not up to me to judge others and say they will go to hell for not believing, If I did that I am the one who might end up there :oops:
Hell in my understanding is that by following only the ego and not wanting to become free from suffering by example follow religious teaching, that is where one may never come out of suffering.and what is called Hell.
Hell = Suffering (quote)

Thankfully I’m not suffering or follow my ego,I do though challenge messages for their authenticity and source.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I wish you all the best, there may be still a chance to embrace our oneness and lessen that calamity, but then I look at materialism and how Covid-19 has not changed the course of peoples minds and their aims in life and realise the calamity is needed.
While I disagree with the effectiveness of prophets, we can still work together to make the world a better place
 
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