There was no option to say I choose to submit to Allah and all the Messengers.
Regards Tony
Regards Tony
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What response did you give the sent ones?
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exchemist
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"What is all this nonsense?"
I found their teachings to be contrary to reason and science, that they never demonstrated authority from God, and that they were unable to achieve the greatest miracle such as solving world hunger or alleviating all suffering, miracles which should be easy for an omnipotent God to achieve.
In the place of authentic miracles I found nothing but faulty tales of miracles, conmen tricks, and a heavy dose of self delusion.
In my opinion.
In the place of authentic miracles I found nothing but faulty tales of miracles, conmen tricks, and a heavy dose of self delusion.
In my opinion.
Interestingly I see you blame God for what man has failed to do.
I see many have not failed to do what God asked them to do, and many that choose not to do what God asks us to do. It is all offerd with no compulsion, allowing us free will.
The greaeatest miracle is a change of heart, to do what God has asked of us. Every day more embrace that miracle of change, it is a healthy way of life where they work for the good of all.
Regards Tony
What objective test will determine whether any particular claimant is a Sent One or not?
Because God expects man to be willing and able to do that which God is either unwilling or unable to do.
In other words if there is a God that intervenes in material affairs it has the primary responsibility to fix things because with great power comes great responsibility, and God is All-powerful
And it failed to effect enough of a change to fix things, which demonstrates that God is dragging the chain since God could bring about instantaneous change effortlessly.
As far as free will goes you have not demonstrated that it exists yet. For all I know we may just be complex biological automatons.
Well if the greatest weight that could be lifted was say 200kg (I don't follow the olympic weight lifters to know so I'm plucking a figure out of the air), then that person could easily lift the lesser weights such as 50kg or 100kg, so perhaps those who are able to perform the allegedly greatest miracle of changing hearts could demonstrate that all other miracles are lesser such as allegedly more trivial miracles like solving world hunger or alleviating all suffering by actually performing such lesser miracles.
In my opinion.
I see that the intervention is always offered in the choices we face at every moment of our lives. We become responsible for those choices when we obtain to maturity.
This is now the age of maturity, it is a time to stand up to all the choices made in the past and make a better future for those to come.
The end game is known, as is our own part in it, and until our last breath, the purpose of our life is always given in those free will choices.
That is God's plan for us, and that will not change, we are the only one that can change our own path, the first step is Faith and by Faith we can change.
"As you have Faith, so will your power and blessings be, this is the balance, this is the balance, this is the balance" (My memory of Abdu'lbaha quote)
Regards Tony
You are repeating your assertion, but not demonstrating that free will exists in my opinion.
Good to hear from you blu 2.
I see It is all we get to Know God.
So if I am a perfect Golfer, you have The golfer, their ability and the tools of the sport. They are all in harmony and the evidence is in the score
That Metephor for a Messenger is you have the Person the Spirit that drives them and the Message, the proof is evident in the outcome of that combination. It is measurable.
That is where we are asked to look, the Messengers tell us to judge them by their person, their life and their Message.
Regards Tony
InvestigateTruth
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I don't believe on the Day of Judgement anyone will be asked why you did not accept Prophets.
I quote Bahaullah:
"Hast thou not read the Qur’án, and art thou not aware of this blessed verse: ‘On that day shall neither man nor spirit be asked of his sin’? Dost thou not realize that by ‘asking’ is not meant asking by tongue or speech, even as the verse itself doth indicate and prove? For afterward it is said: ‘By their countenance shall the sinners be known, and they shall be seized by their forelocks and their feet.’”
Thus the peoples of the world are judged by their countenance. By it, their misbelief, their faith, and their iniquity are all made manifest...." Book of Iqan
Hmm. In my experience, "to judge them by their person, their life and their Message" is not how most golfers would put it. But then, no one ever called me a golfer.
Would you consider that eg Gautama Buddha was a messenger? Confucius?
Would you say that Shinto had no messenger?
A Metephor is a metaphor, but I can say I was a golfer
, but not now for a lot of years.I personally see a Messenger is mostly proven over time, there is a rare few that embrace them in the age they live.
The big attraction when they live is their person and their life before they give the Message.
It is our choice to decide who they are.
Regards Tony
Psalm23
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I would look to Jesus as my only hope. I don’t know if I would say anything or not. I often have felt insecure in my relationship with God. Reading the Bible and Jesus’ words have and still does help encourage me. Still the roots of anxiety for me runs deep.
I believe in such a day that I would know whether God would receive me. I would be able to tell by looking to Jesus and what his expression is on his face and eyes when he sees me. And if Jesus would embrace me , then I know I am safe and accepted.
I am a Christian believer. I do not subscribe to the Islamic faith.
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Bree
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Who are the 'sent' ones in your opinion?
There was only one Sent One in my life - like so many others where we were passed on that which existed in our culture. And perhaps the option - I treated them with suspicion, as one might do with every travelling salesperson - should have been there. No proof for me that any are Sent Ones - other than their claims. And I have seen many on RF who seem to claim similar.
Colt
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Since I'm a believer there was no category to choose from in your pole.
And since I know that the Israelites edited and greatly exaggerated their history in their Old Testament scriptures I don't take major claims seriously enough to effect my faith in God the Father or Allah if you prefer.
It appears to me that life is "designed" for Gods sincere children to grow through experience and sincere truth seeking. A just God would not condemn a sincere heart when he has shrouded everything in so much mystery.
Most prophets did not become widely popular until after their death.