nPeace
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As parents, we want our children to obey us. Isn't that so?
That doesn't take away from humility.
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Is God Humble?
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That doesn't take away from humility.
nPeace
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When a child is raped, no sane person thinks that the rapist is blameless, and does not "need to be better than they are".
nPeace
Veteran Member
Humble parents punish wrong actions of their children. Do you think they are wrong? If yes, may I ask why?
The law punishes criminals. Do you think they should refrain from doing so?
Overlooking or ignoring injustice is not linked to humility in any way though.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Humility is the opposite of pride.
These words are not applied in one way, contextualized.
For example, pride can be applied in a positive way, base on its usage.
Likewise, humility is not applied only in the context of viewing someone as superior to oneself... especially if no one is.
Humility also applies in not thinking of oneself as too important to consider others. Or not thinking of them as lesser in the sense of value, or worth.
For example, gold and silver are precious metals - one more valuable than the other, but despite that, the one of lesser value is not considered of no value.
Likewise, God recognizing the value in weaker vessels, demonstrates humility.
Moreover, God is not dependent on anyone, and therefore what he does in behalf of the human race is really a demonstration of humility.
Altfish
Veteran Member
The parent - child relationship is not humble. Initially it is authoritarian, albeit caring, it then evolves into monitoring and finally release.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Like many terms, humility is a term that cannot without difficulty be ascribed to anything other than Man. This is because humility is a perspective/attitude that not only requires consciousness, but individualisation, self-consciousness and consciousness of the self-consciousness of others (individuals).
A dog that seems to behave “humbly” is unlikely to be humble. Rather, its behaviour is due to timidity. There are timid people too and though their actions also may seem humble, this is not necessarily what they themselves are.
If God is viewed as a person, then this person can be/not be humble. But viewed as an abstract, divine force of oneness, the human term humility cannot be ascribed to God.
Humbly
Hermit
A dog that seems to behave “humbly” is unlikely to be humble. Rather, its behaviour is due to timidity. There are timid people too and though their actions also may seem humble, this is not necessarily what they themselves are.
If God is viewed as a person, then this person can be/not be humble. But viewed as an abstract, divine force of oneness, the human term humility cannot be ascribed to God.
Humbly
Hermit
nPeace
Veteran Member
Person involves having personality.
God has personality, and is not an abstract force.
Therefore, God is a person.
Qualities originates with the very first being. That would be God.
Is humility a quality of God? Yes.
How do we know?
1) The Bible says so. 2 Samuel 22:36 ; Psalms 18:35
2) Humility is linked to mercy, since to be merciful requires taking others into consideration.
Thus mercy being a dominant quality of God, follows humility as an attribute of his.
To say that God is not humble, is to first of all reject the parts of scripture that both says and demonstrated that he is, and to say this with no real basis, but simply opinion.
In other words, to say what we think God is, as if we made God.
God reveals who he is. We can't do that, without knowing what God reveals. We would be guessing - like feeling our way through total darkness.
nPeace
Veteran Member
I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Hermit Philosopher
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Altfish
Veteran Member
God is NOT humble
nPeace
Veteran Member
Yes. We know that. Is that because you don't believe what the Bible says?
nPeace
Veteran Member
Which one do you mean?
Altfish
Veteran Member
There's more than one? How can that be?
amorphous_constellation
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I think maybe God is depressed, and his variations of anger and humility might kind of stem from that. Early on he tried to flood out sin, and that failed. Then he came in human flesh, and that kind of failed, since man stopped that. He was friends with Solomon the goth, he hung out with Job and John the Baptist. The humility then, is about the thing God can't do: make a separate entity good. God can move a mountain, but he can't make a man good, and that's a bummer for Him
nPeace
Veteran Member
Because God is a title... like man, cat, dog, rabbit...
There is only one true God though, so if you are saying God is not humble, then you certainly aren't referring to that one.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Dear nPeace
I'm very surprise to hear that you have read in the Bible that God is a person. You must have a different version to those I've come across.
Humbly
Hermit
nPeace
Veteran Member
You did not say yes or no. So maybe you don't want to say?
I have found that some people find it difficult to answer that question. Is that the case with you?
The Bible does say God is humble. I quoted the text, along with facts regarding the word usage.
The Hebrew expression is defined here.
If you have information that says otherwise, I'd be glad if you can share it.
What translation do you use, to read Psalms 113:6, 7?
Does it say the same thing as these?
New International Version
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?
New Living Translation
He stoops to look down on heaven and on earth.
English Standard Version
who looks far down on the heavens and the earth?
Berean Study Bible
He humbles Himself to behold the heavens and the earth.
King James Bible
Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!
New King James Version
Who humbles Himself to behold The things that are in the heavens and in the earth?
New American Standard Bible
Who looks far down to The heavens and the earth?
NASB 1995
Who humbles Himself to behold The things that are in heaven and in the earth?
NASB 1977
Who humbles Himself to behold The things that are in heaven and in the earth?
Amplified Bible
Who humbles Himself to regard The heavens and the earth?
Christian Standard Bible
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?
Holman Christian Standard Bible
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?
American Standard Version
That humbleth himself to behold The things that are in heaven and in the earth?
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he sees into the depths in Heaven and in the Earth.
Brenton Septuagint Translation
and yet looks upon the low things in heaven, and on the earth:
Contemporary English Version
and he looks down to see the heavens and the earth.
Douay-Rheims Bible
and looketh down on the low things in heaven and in earth?
English Revised Version
That humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven and in the earth?
Good News Translation
but he bends down to see the heavens and the earth.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He bends down to look at heaven and earth.
International Standard Version
yet stooping low to observe the sky and the earth?
JPS Tanakh 1917
That looketh down low Upon heaven and upon the earth?
Literal Standard Version
He is humbling [Himself] to look On the heavens and on the earth.
NET Bible
He bends down to look at the sky and the earth.
New Heart English Bible
Who stoops down to see in heaven and in the earth?
World English Bible
Who stoops down to see in heaven and in the earth?
Young's Literal Translation
He is humbling Himself to look On the heavens and on the earth.
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?
New Living Translation
He stoops to look down on heaven and on earth.
English Standard Version
who looks far down on the heavens and the earth?
Berean Study Bible
He humbles Himself to behold the heavens and the earth.
King James Bible
Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!
New King James Version
Who humbles Himself to behold The things that are in the heavens and in the earth?
New American Standard Bible
Who looks far down to The heavens and the earth?
NASB 1995
Who humbles Himself to behold The things that are in heaven and in the earth?
NASB 1977
Who humbles Himself to behold The things that are in heaven and in the earth?
Amplified Bible
Who humbles Himself to regard The heavens and the earth?
Christian Standard Bible
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?
Holman Christian Standard Bible
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?
American Standard Version
That humbleth himself to behold The things that are in heaven and in the earth?
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he sees into the depths in Heaven and in the Earth.
Brenton Septuagint Translation
and yet looks upon the low things in heaven, and on the earth:
Contemporary English Version
and he looks down to see the heavens and the earth.
Douay-Rheims Bible
and looketh down on the low things in heaven and in earth?
English Revised Version
That humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven and in the earth?
Good News Translation
but he bends down to see the heavens and the earth.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He bends down to look at heaven and earth.
International Standard Version
yet stooping low to observe the sky and the earth?
JPS Tanakh 1917
That looketh down low Upon heaven and upon the earth?
Literal Standard Version
He is humbling [Himself] to look On the heavens and on the earth.
NET Bible
He bends down to look at the sky and the earth.
New Heart English Bible
Who stoops down to see in heaven and in the earth?
World English Bible
Who stoops down to see in heaven and in the earth?
Young's Literal Translation
He is humbling Himself to look On the heavens and on the earth.
Here, it reads, "Who humbles Himself", and the Hebrew word is shaphel - to be or become low, to be abased
Do you disagree with the Bible?
What source would you accept to tell you the truth about God?
Some people say they look within. Do you think that is where God tell his people the truth about himself? Do you think the prophets - including Jesus Christ, ministered to the truth about God?
You don't mind me asking, I hope.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Dear nPeace
On the subject of humility in relation to God, I made a comment about the term [humility] being a worldly one. But as a believer, I do not ascribe myself authority to personally judge God’s nature as either or, so I did not.
However, I don’t believe that you and I were conversing about humility (in relation to God) anymore.
The conversation with me that you are replying to here was about whether God is a person.
You said that you view God as a person; I said that I do not. Then, you asked me whether that was because I don’t read the Bible, to which I said that I cannot recall Scripture saying that God is a person.
And that’s as far as the conversation got prior to your last reply.
This is merely an observation on my part. It does not require a response.
Humbly
Hermit
nPeace
Veteran Member
Then I'm sorry Hermit, but you simply either missed what was said, and why, or you wanted to talk about something else. Perhaps that topic interests you more, but it's off topic to the thread, which is on whether God is humble or not..
Perhaps read the thread again. I was set on the topic of humility. I think that's clear to see. isn't it?
If you want to discuss the person of God, i don't mind doing that, but you can create a thread with that topic, which would be better, imo.