Atheist vs Christian(or vice versa)

Revoltingest · Sep 28, 2021

An atheist and a Christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the Christian...
"Do you have evidence a god does exist?"
The Christian replied no.

The Christian asks the atheist...
"Do you have evidence a god doesn't exist?"
The atheist said "No, but you might like this video."

QuestioningMind · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
An atheist and a christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the christian "Do you have evidence a god does exist?" The christian replied no.

The christian asks the atheist "Do you have evidence a god doesn't exist?" The atheist replied no.

They looked at each other and agreed its a pointless argument.
They then went to have a drink, became friends and both lived happily ever after.

The end.

An atheist and a christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the christian "Do you have evidence a god does exist?" The christian replied no.

The christian asks the atheist "Do you have evidence a god doesn't exist?" The atheist replied no, but then I'm not claiming it's impossible for a god to exist, I'm just waiting for evidence before I accept that the claim is true.

Evangelicalhumanist · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
An atheist and a christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the christian "Do you have evidence a god does exist?" The christian replied no.

The christian asks the atheist "Do you have evidence a god doesn't exist?" The atheist replied no.

They looked at each other and agreed its a pointless argument.
They then went to have a drink, became friends and both lived happily ever after.

The end.

Let's paraphrase:

An atheist and a pastafarian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the pastafarian "Do you have evidence a flying spaghetti monster does exist?" The pastafarian replied no.

The pastafarian asks the atheist "Do you have evidence a flying spaghetti doesn't exist?" The atheist replied no.

They both broke the fourth wall and looked out at the readers of this thread and asked, together, "how would you decide?"

Hockeycowboy · Sep 28, 2021

“Ok

Childhood leukemia
Futility of prayer
Unnecessary suffering
I could go into e=mc2 but I don't have the time to go into it so...
E=MC Disproves God
Lack of evidence for claimed events, flood etc”

ChristineM said:
It is if you believe the bible because rach item disproves a particular aspect described in the bible. You can however choose to ignore or deny it, no skin off my nose

(Isn’t your 1st objection, the same as the 3rd?)

Those who accept the Bible as God’s Word, don’t ignore or deny any realities of the sad life we live in this System. However, through the pages of the Bible, we can explain it.

And the article on energy, describes matter improperly...matter is energy, just in solid form. Energy is everywhere.

It in no way disproves God. In fact the understanding we have of energy, discovered through science, actually explains God’s eternal nature.

And since it was brought up....
As for a Global Flood (and not through a YEC lens):
Flood Evidences — revised

** EDIT ** : There is some dispute as to the veracity of the study presented in the #2(b) line of evidence, RE: the Ark stability tests performed by Dr. Seok Won Hong...notice “Seok”, not Seon [as the study names him; that mistake alone renders the paper questionable.] I’m in the process of contacting Dr. Seok Hong. He is employed by MOERI, which is stated accurately in the evidence I quoted from.

Hockeycowboy · Sep 28, 2021

I do have a few friends who are atheists, we just avoid those issues.

There’s much more to discuss!

We Never Know · Sep 28, 2021

ChristineM said:
It is if you believe the bible because rach item disproves a particular aspect described in the bible. You can however choose to ignore or deny it, no skin off my nose

I don't accept what the bible says. I said "a god". You are trying to disprove a certain god.

We Never Know · Sep 28, 2021

lukethethird said:
What does evidence of the non-existence of something supposed to look like?

Probably as invisible as evidence for a god.

ChristineM · Sep 28, 2021

Hockeycowboy said:
“Ok

Childhood leukemia
Futility of prayer
Unnecessary suffering
I could go into e=mc2 but I don't have the time to go into it so...
E=MC Disproves God
Lack of evidence for claimed events, flood etc”

(Isn’t your 1st objection, the same as the 3rd?)

Those who accept the Bible as God’s Word, don’t ignore or deny any realities of the sad life we live in this System. However, through the pages of the Bible, we can explain it.

And the article on energy, describes matter improperly...matter is energy, just in solid form. Energy is everywhere.

It in no way disproves God. In fact the understanding we have of energy, discovered through science, actually explains God’s eternal nature.

And since it was brought up....
As for a Global Flood (and not through a YEC lens):
Flood Evidences — revised

No, leukemia is a specific illness, unnecessary suffering can be many reasons not related to health, example as poverty.

The bible makes claims of the abilities of god, then you have to explain why they ain't so... Thats my point

I think you misunderstood the article, if god is omnipotent ie, infinite power, power is energy expended over time. To have infinite power (infinite energy) would mean there were none left to create matter.

Yes I've seen the thread, much conjecture and confirmation bias and no evidence from what i can see

ChristineM · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
I don't accept what the bible says. I said "a god". You are trying to disprove a certain god.

It applies to other gods, with similar attributes to the abrahamic god, that encompasses a fair number, certainly all the omnipotent, caring gods

We Never Know · Sep 28, 2021

ChristineM said:
It applies to other gods, with similar attributes to the abrahamic god, that encompasses a fair number, certainly all the omnipotent, caring gods

Well then you can do what no other has. You should write about it in a book. It would become a best seller.

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
An atheist and a christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the christian "Do you have evidence a god does exist?" The christian replied no.

The christian asks the atheist "Do you have evidence a god doesn't exist?" The atheist replied no.

They looked at each other and agreed its a pointless argument.
They then went to have a drink, became friends and both lived happily ever after.

The end.

An atheist and a christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the christian "Do you have evidence a god does exist?" The christian replied no.

The atheist asks the Christian "isn't it kind of foolish to make something with no evidence the main focus of your life?"

They looked at each other in silence until they ordered drinks to break the awkwardness. As they drank, the Christian stared off into space, trying to figure out if he had wasted his life, but finding nothing to justify a "no."

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 28, 2021

lukethethird said:
What does evidence of the non-existence of something supposed to look like?

You mean like how we figure out that a species is extinct?

lewisnotmiller · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
An atheist and a christian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the christian "Do you have evidence a god does exist?" The christian replied no.

The christian asks the atheist "Do you have evidence a god doesn't exist?" The atheist replied no.

They looked at each other and agreed its a pointless argument.
They then went to have a drink, became friends and both lived happily ever after.

The end.

That's pretty much how it works with myself and some of my close friends. Our thoughts about God have a lot less in common than our thoughts about how to treat others, etc.
I have other Christian friends I was close to, but whose ideas around topics like homosexuality became increasingly extreme from where I sit. Whilst I have no horse in that particular argument, it impacts how close I can be to them, for lots of reasons (which I can spell out, but seems tangential to the thread).

People's beliefs impact on how they treat others. I could care less if those beliefs include God, but I can't pretend not to care what they believe entirely.

lukethethird · Sep 28, 2021

9-10ths_Penguin said:
You mean like how we figure out that a species is extinct?

We don't have fossils of a non-existent God, but if we did...

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 28, 2021

lukethethird said:
We don't have fossils of a non-existent God, but if we did...

Fossils don't tell you that a species is extinct.

I just think it would be funny if theists who like to say "you can't prove a negative!" when talking about their gods adhered to this principle consistently:

"Honey, we're out of eggs. Can you get some while you're at the store?"

"You don't know we have no eggs! You have no way to know that; you aren't omniscient! You can't prove a negative!"

Windwalker · Sep 28, 2021

Evangelicalhumanist said:
Let's paraphrase:

An atheist and a pastafarian were arguing about a god existing or not.

The atheist asks the pastafarian "Do you have evidence a flying spaghetti monster does exist?" The pastafarian replied no.

The pastafarian answers yes, I ate his eyeballs last night. Delicious.

lewisnotmiller · Sep 28, 2021

Windwalker said:
The pastafarian answers yes, I ate his eyeballs last night. Delicious.

Are you sure they were eyeballs?

ChristineM · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
Well then you can do what no other has. You should write about it in a book. It would become a best seller.

Many already know this, most simple react as you do eith denialism

We Never Know · Sep 28, 2021

ChristineM said:
Many already know this, most simple react as you do eith denialism

Fact is science can neither prove or disprove a god(there is no scientific evidence for either). If you can do better, you are above science. Write a book and it will become a best seller.
But as you said, thats no skin off my nose

ChristineM · Sep 28, 2021

We Never Know said:
Fact is science can neither prove or disprove a god(there is no scientific evidence for either). If you can do better, you are above science. Write a book and it will become a best seller.
But as you said, thats no skin off my nose

Individual aspects can be disproved, you can believe them or not

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