Science or Religion?

Mock Turtle said:

Sorry, didn't view the video. But not an either, or, and situation. Some people apparently believe that a religious belief is necessary in their lives whilst many others don't. They might both appreciate science for what it is, and even give credence to religions for some positive things. Many of us believe that the latter can be obtained elsewhere and that religions also bring along with them too many negative affects so as to be a danger for humans.

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You are right, there are so many factors in play at the moment wrt covid, Religion, Science, Politics, etc.. You should watch the video for a laugh, even though it is not a laughing matter, but in these times, we need some relief.

ben d said:

You are right, there are so many factors in play at the moment wrt covid, Religion, Science, Politics, etc.. You should watch the video for a laugh, even though it is not a laughing matter, but in these times, we need some relief.

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Well I did watch it just now. Nothing new, with some claiming God doing His thing via science. Couldn't care less - as to apportioning any credit - as long as they just don't interfere.

Science the practice is humans choice.

Human stories of the past state man did his own sin. So don't blame God. Yet you do.

A song I heard once said and God kills children with our very own hands about says it all.

ben d said:

The word 'science' just means knowledge, Sir Isaac Newton was a scientist and very devoted to God. But somewhere along the way atheism crept in and is missing the Divine guidance.

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There is nothing atheist about science.

ben d said:

I've been waiting to introduce that point. God goes to all the trouble rounding up and guiding the smart scientists, then those to be rounded up and guided to have the vax, and now is left with these recalcitrants who wont have it. Why not just use His power to not have the covid pandemic happen to begin with, much simpler.

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Couldnt God put everything in motion, COVID too? It's not a disease of "man" so it would be from God as the creator of everything.

ben d said:

The Governor apparently think thinks it is both?

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If a god is the creator of everything...he created the people who then created the vaccine...didn't that same god create the virus?

If a God is the creator of everything the creation dominion over stopped with the natural human.

Science is not included in that review

If humans say I can change creation artificially science is that answer.

Did creation change itself ...no human claiming dominion did.

Amazing...Some people use their `gods` as a shield against the curse of the virus.
Has religion turned only to politics ? No masks, no vaccinations, no ventalisers, fewer staff....
A lot of republicans are dying as we write, doesn't anyone really care ??

Interesting !

ben d said:

All the kingdoms of God and the universe always exist, man will go into space and evolve, but the spiritual path proper leads to the spiritual kingdoms, that are not of this world. Iow, a spiritual aspirant doesn't have to wait until the future of science and faith working together arrives, now is all there ever is, and it is eternal.

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The purpose of this life is indeed to find our spiritual selves as a material being.

This creation has been given to help man develop those capacities in an ever advancing state of being.

So Science and Faith have always been the wings that man can soar to greater heights upon, or uses them in a way that darkness prevails.

The purpose is for us to find and embrace the Light that is in us all, it is also reflected in thr material world, I see it is the power that drives creation a power we are told exists, a power Baha'u'llah prays we do not find until we are eady for it, but I wonder if we did with atomic energy with these quotes.

"Strange and astonishing things exist in the earth but they are hidden from the minds and the understanding of men. These things are capable of changing the whole atmosphere of the earth and their contamination would prove lethal. (Baha'u'llah)

Then in 1911 in Paris in a conversation with Viscount Arawaka, the Japanese Ambassador to Spain, 'Abdu'l-Bahá spoke these words:

"Scientific discoveries have increased material civilization. There is in existence a stupendous force, as yet, happily, undiscovered by man. Let us supplicate God, the Beloved, that this force be not discovered by science until spiritual civilization shall dominate the human mind. In the hands of men of lower material nature, this power would be able to destroy the whole earth.'"

So I see that power may be bigger than atomic, it may be atomic combined with some form of magnatisim.

Regards Tony

'mud said:

Amazing...Some people use their `gods` as a shield against the curse of the virus.
Has religion turned only to politics ? No masks, no vaccinations, no ventalisers, fewer staff....
A lot of republicans are dying as we write, doesn't anyone really care ??

Interesting !

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I have noticed that scary trend,.especially amongst fundamental Christians.

Luckily, well in Australia for sure, my Faith guides me to support Vaccination.

Regards Tony

rational experiences said:

If a God is the creator of everything the creation dominion over stopped with the natural human.

Science is not included in that review

If humans say I can change creation artificially science is that answer.

Did creation change itself ...no human claiming dominion did.

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I see that In this age Baha'u'llah offered that Science and Faith must work together.

That is very logical for me.

Regards Tony

exchemist said:

There is nothing atheist about science.

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I didn't mean to imply that, just that unlike in the past, many scientists are now atheists and thus possibly lack divine guidance in their direction.

Unveiled Artist said:

Couldnt God put everything in motion, COVID too? It's not a disease of "man" so it would be from God as the creator of everything.

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I suppose it could, but then it is more likely to be Satan? Still I suppose the buck stop with God, and the goodies will still win in the end!

We Never Know said:

If a god is the creator of everything...he created the people who then created the vaccine...didn't that same god create the virus?

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As I said to unveiled artist, the buck ultimately rests with God, but it likely due to 'dark' forces. The creative process is complex, here is Isaiah 45:6-7. Thy Lord God is one. I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

rational experiences said:

If a God is the creator of everything the creation dominion over stopped with the natural human.

Science is not included in that review

If humans say I can change creation artificially science is that answer.

Did creation change itself ...no human claiming dominion did.

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I consider Isaiah 45:6-7 the way it is.

TransmutingSoul said:

I see that In this age Baha'u'llah offered that Science and Faith must work together.

That is very logical for me.

Regards Tony

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The teachings were against the knowledge man sought about good and bad from the tree of life.

rational experiences said:

The teachings were against the knowledge man sought about good and bad from the tree of life.

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Personally I do not see how a God given message can be against anything that is truth. It can be against our perceptions of that truth, as we only have access to relative truth.

All the best.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul said:

Personally I do not see how a God given message can be against anything that is truth. It can be against our perceptions of that truth, as we only have access to relative truth.

All the best.

Regards Tony

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The past message you quote was lived personally. Attacked spiritually.

He owned faith trust in his love. Understood the message of human spirit.

He taught.

He challenged re emerging scientific Muslim beliefs. Maths science.

His faith to teach science that it's practice was evil.

Wasn't he murdered for the challenge?

rational experiences said:

The past message you quote was lived personally. Attacked spiritually.

He owned faith trust in his love. Understood the message of human spirit.

He taught.

He challenged re emerging scientific Muslim beliefs. Maths science.

His faith to teach science that it's practice was evil.

Wasn't he murdered for the challenge?

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No

Regards Tony

ben d said:

I didn't mean to imply that, just that unlike in the past, many scientists are now atheists and thus possibly lack divine guidance in their direction.

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Fair enough.